If you are on weight loss injections, what do you make of this article?

Well no. Research shows people who stop using injections regain four times faster than those who have used conventional diets.

When I get to goal weight I will use the money I spend on MJ to fund ongoing therapy. My reasons for overeating are complex.

However since being on MJ, I eat less overall (much, much less sugar) and I make better choices. I have more energy, so exercising is easier.

It's not been a quick fix, I'm still putting in the work but MJ has done the one thing diets have not done and it's given me the longevity. Usually I'd lose a stone, an event would come up, I'd blow the diet and "give up" (one of the many things around my eating that I need therapy to help me explore and tackle)

I am so fucking sick of the sneering and jeering levelled at people who use WLI's though.

It's becoming another thing in society that is dividing us and turning women against women.

Do you think that is some kind of gotcha question or something?
why are you so keen for me to answer that? Ok, seeing as you are so keen for my opinion:

Negatives:
At the moment for me, maybe cost. That’s it. I can easily afford it but would obviously prefer it didn’t cost so much - but it’s well worth it.

Pro’s:
well to start -
I’ve lost 4 stone almost effortlessly and am easily keeping it off, don’t even have to think about it.
I don’t think about food any more apart from “mm, this is nice” or “hmm, I think I’ll have that for dinner” I have absolutely no food noise or angst surrounding food any more.
I am fitter, can walk further and run faster. Im
stronger bc I’ve started lifting weights.
I’m more confident and can wear whatever I like, everything looks good.
I have lots of energy.
My skin is clearer and the varicose veins on my leg have improved.
I don’t huff and puff when I walk up the stairs.
I’m not wasting lots of money on clothes and makeup that I don’t need and want in an effort to make myself feel better.
I am happy - I was depressed before and eating too much and not exercising really affected my mental health.
Because I’m happier my relationships with my dh and dc’s have improved as I’m not as miserable.

Is that enough for now? There are more, let me come back to you …

I am not surprised by these findings and think for many of us (because I am on mounjaro) its for life. I am on the lowest 2.5 dose and have been for over 6 months so losing around 1 - 1.5lbs a week. I also still go to slimming world so that I can address the behavioural issues as well. all of this helps I think. I fully expect to regain some weight and hope that its not so much that I get anywhere near back to where I was at the start. I still have 4 stone to go and will stay on 2.5 and at sw until i get there. I wish I wasnt like this. i wish I could just diet and lose the weight but I cant.

For affordability, treating Obesity and associated secondary issues costs the NHS over £11B per year.

as the medications become cheaper and more flexible (doses/ tablet form/ preventative rather than restorative) the ROI will be substantial for the NHS.

the total positive outcomes of WLIs aren’t currently defined, so this doesn’t include costs associated with other benefits.

Completely unsurprising.

The weight jabs surpress your desire to eat. You learn nothing about nutrition or willpower.

I have no idea how anybody can be surprised about these findings.

I had a gastric sleeve and used mounjaro after as I naturally plateaud 2st over my goal weight.

Ive started MJ twice as Ive regained a stone.

I have autoimmune issues, underactuve thyroid, hashimotos disease, ADHD and OCD and a compulsion to just snack. I believe I am insulin resistant.

I know it isn't ideal but its keeping me in check and i do generally maintain the majority of my loss (which is 8 stone)

I was a SW member for years and enjoyed it and actually still follow a lot of the SW “rules” and recipes.

But taking WLI’s is worlds away from SW - for one I never have to worry about eating out bc just have whatever I fancy and eat until
I start feeling satiated. I don’t get any of the angst about what to eat/calories etc. I just don’t even think about it any more. It’s fantastic.

'Can you understand...?' In your last two posts you've questioned my ability to understand something which is pretty basic research. If you get off your high horse and stop being so condescending I would have a conversation but you're not worth the time. Can you understand why I can't be bothered...?

I lost seven stone using conventional willpower based methods, and kept it off for two years. Unfortunately, I then regained the weight when I became severely ill with Long Covid (still have occasional attacks these days).

I'm confident in my ability to sustain weight, diet and exercise as needed barring extenuating circumstances. Unfortunately I'm now in possession of a toddler, and know that I'm therefore not in the position to make the commitment I did to weight loss unassisted by medication.

My choices appear to be:

• become healthier unassisted (low probability, I can't do 4-5 exercise sessions pw as I did previously). Possibly return if another health crisis occurs.
• become healthier assisted (good probability, already lost almost 3st). Possibly return if another health crisis.
• become healthier assisted and succeed in keeping the weight off.
• become healthier assisted and require to stay on drugs long term to remain healthier.

I can't see any reason why the first scenario is considered better than the 2nd-4th.

Perhaps if people called it "became healthy" rather than "lost weight" people would stop being such wankers about it? I was on SSRIs for a brief period whilst I developed self-management and escaped the crisis point, but you don't see endless threads about that.

(Honest opinion - anyone who buys into the baiting by the press of people on WLI is more than a little thick.)

Sorry i didnt realise (or read back) that i said that. I was referring to the fact that it doesnt give you a final solution to the issue of being overweight rather than directly attacking someone taking these drugs for WL.

My bad, i accept i did say it. Sorry

Yes, this is absolutely what will happen.

I don’t actually give a rats arse about changing non-users opinion, why on earth do you think that?

I care about people posting their incorrect opinions as fact and putting them straight.

@Tessasanderson it was in your post at 9:55. "Its a horrible situation. Granted there are positives of course but much much more negatives"

Exactly what happened to me! Back on MJ 2 weeks ago to try and get back to where I was. Going to have to have a long hard think before stopping them again...

Please tell me where i mentioned it being a horrible situation. The poster you quote was the one who termed it a horrible situation

I agree with this. I have not started them yet but healthy eating isn’t particularly a problem for me. I do have junk food once in a while but my diet has plenty of veg, seafood / fish and lean meats. I rarely eat red meat. My issue is portion control (driven by constantly feeling hungry), starchy carb and sugar cravings and constant food preoccupation (“food noise”). I know that when I hit goal weight I will have to manage the above and it will be HARD.

I did Weight Watchers years ago and kept the weight off for 3 years but then I moved country and changed lifestyle (more money to eat out, stressful job with insane hours meant I craved sugar, carbs, lost time to work out, poor sleep and lots of takeaways due to late finishes. But when I was maintaining it’s because I maintained a weekly prep and planning program and will do the same again with WLI.

You are right most of the above is psychological so that’s where people need to focus.

I stopped MJ in May after loosing 3.5 stone, I am still maintaining my weight now. I did take it really serious and changed my food habits, exercise ect which I have carried on. The weight I lost really spurred me on and I don’t want to go back to weight I was before, so has kept me motivated.

I’ve only put two pounds on and that’s from pigging out at Christmas. Now I’m back on track with my eating and exercise, albeit minus WLI, I fully anticipate it will come off again.

If time spent on WLI is used to generally overhaul one’s habits, I think that massively cuts down on the risk of regaining.

I think it’s wonderful that people are able to address their weight and become free of food noise, and get a chance to reset their metabolism, if that’s what they want to do. Life is too short, and health is so important. If people need/choose to be on them for life, I think that’s a matter for them.

For context, I’m someone who has never struggled with my weight, so I have no skin in this game. I’m currently a size 6, I have two children, my youngest is just 2. I just don’t struggle with my weight, and the way people describe themselves when they are on the jabs seems to be how I am. For example, I didn’t know food noise was a thing until I saw it mentioned on MN. I do naturally prefer healthier options and I like walking, swimming and yoga, but I’m no athlete and I also have a sweet tooth!

I have my own struggles with other things (like my hair - I would love to have long, thick, wavy hair) and if I could take a pill or jab myself which to have that, I think I probably would. As it is, I’m stuck with supplements and extensions. Maybe there’ll be a hair equivalent in the future and we can all sashay around with waist length hair if we so desire 😆

I’ll ask again as you seemed to not have answered, yet you’re obviously very invested in WLIs.

So, in your opinion, what are the negatives vs positives of WLIs?

With any weight loss at all unless you change your mindset and eating patterns then you absolutely will regain weight ( even with bariatric surgery).

Nevolat is widely available

I think the article is telling us pretty much what everyone can work out for themselves, if you don’t change your diet composition, your attitude to food and your overall lifestyle then as soon as you stop suppressing your appetite you will eat too much and gain weight. Whether you loose weight with injections or dieting alone you need to put in long term strategies to keep it off, this includes more activity (to increase calories burned) and lower calorie intake for life with a balanced diet you can stick to. I am loosing without injections currently, but it’s a struggle, depriving yourself is hard so the minute you take your eye off the prize you put it back on, injections are basically giving you extra willpower

I also think they fuck with your metabolism.

It HAS to be for life otherwise the big Pharma can't make money... if everyone gets a magic slim / healthy bullet they are out of business.