If you are on weight loss injections, what do you make of this article?

Slimming world really pisses me off. It has the highest regain rate at 97 percent, I’ve a relative who has done it for decades, literally decades, always regains, always then trots off back to the meetings, and the cycle continues. she’s been fat for about 20 years now.

It’s such a high failure, Because no one, but no one wants to be eating laughing cow light and ryvita, sugar free or fat free for ever, and volume eating free foods, or having syns is not sustainable for nearly everyone.

so of course they fall off the wagon, people think they are successful if they lose. They are not. Succes is maintenance. Keeping it off.

normal diets have a 80 percent regain, slimming world is 97. No idea of the drugs, except I’m staying on, a low maintenance dose, and this is the first time I’ve maintained my weight ever, with ease.

FWIW I have tried to suggest to family members that Slimming World is a waste of their money in the past. It is SO time consuming. Nobody is going to.keep that up. Im sure it was designed like that on purpose so thay people regain and come back and spend again. Im interested in the injections Don't think id personally use them at the moment but happy to support those that do. Its a lot easier to maintain than cooking food from strange ingredients and taking to other people's house with you!

That's hilarious. I fully intend to link to these posts the next time someone asks why obesity rates were so much lower 50 years ago!

@Boomer55 - most of my grandparent's generation seem to have either been in Valium or speed. If my family was typical they were way more medicated than us 😂

I’ve got no view on all this, but in the 70’s people did use smoking as an appetite suppressant. It was sold as a benefit.

When I wanted a quick weight loss help in the 80’s, I went to a private doctor who prescribed something. The bloody tablets sent me manic. 😳

It turned out later he was prescribing Speed. Not recommended.

People need to try what they like if they need help to lose weight - it’ll either work or it won’t. No need for arguments. 🤷‍♀️

I'm a doctor, but there are loads of medicines that if you stop taking them the condition or symptoms reoccur, so I am surprised that anyone would think that WLI are any different, especially if people haven't changed other parts of their lifestyle e.g eating less junk food overall, not simply because you are full.

Who is they? Can you be clearer on what you’re saying , very few pharamicies do live weigh ins and height checks, I’ve used several suppliers over 18 months and never had this, nor is it a requirement.

please clarify who “they” is. And name a number of suppliers who do this, past the ones who always did like oushk etc the additional support ones.

edif also I never said they had loosened checks either. Again are you quoting the wrong person as you jeep responding like I wrote something totally different.

They've increased the monitoring to live video weigh ins and height checks. Nowhere registered has loosened checks.

But they haven’t stopped requiring photo evidence or emailing advice. Did you quote the wrong post maybe as I never said that or even indicated it.

I do think it's wrong if they've stopped requiring photo evidence of weight (as Zava were doing when I was getting my MJ from them), and offering support/encouraging people to exercise, log their progress etc, since I came off it last Sept. Especially the photo evidence.

Initially I was getting it from Voy and they were providing a lot of advice/support which, tbf, irritated me at the time as I was already doing everything they suggested, making sure to eat in a balanced way/exercising etc, and didn't especially want to 'share my wins' with a bot. But in hindsight I've changed my viewpoint slightly, as that approach does at least provide checks and balances, and helps stop people going into it too casually.

Same for me when I was on it, in fact there are a couple of friends I've not told simply because it isn't worth the earache.

You make a great point. I've had more supervision, support and advice on this drug than anything I've been prescribed on the nhs but still people comment like I'm shooting up crack in a back alley 😂

But that’s why they say it, that it should be prescribed wirh therapy. Or in person only, with in person only weigh ins. Because they know it will never happen so in their heads would put a stop to people Getting them. As that’s what they want. People to not get them as they can’t.

And again 🙄

Let’s try to explain one more time..

I assume you are talking about people who stop taking WLI’s and revert back to their old ways? In which case of course they’ll put on weight - as many people on here have mentioned about 1000 times. This is nothing to do with WLI’s and everything to do with people doing something that makes them lose weight and then stopping. Same as any diet method.

I know exactly why I overeat - because I love food and I’m greedy and can’t always stop at one biscuit.

When I was being “good” and was slim and managed to maintain a healthy weight for a while it was a constant battle every day to not think about food and obsess over exercise and what I was going to eat. It was almost all I thought about.

What I need is something to take the hunger and the thoughts about food away - and that’s what Mounjaro has done.

It’s very simple and does not necessitate therapy. Most people don’t require therapy to help them understand why they overeat and for most people it would be a huge waste of money and wouldn’t change anything because they already uunderstand the reasons they overeat - there isn’t usually some big issue stemming from childhood. It’s just that they enjoy food too much.

Also those saying MJ should only be prescribed alongside therapy - do you realise how much extra that would cost the NHS? It’s never going to happen. Never.

It seems to me that some subjects are considered open season for uninformed reckons, others not. I agree that if you went onto a baking forum, came out with a load of unevidenced waffle and then said nobody's allowed to say anything critical of ovens you'd get short shrift! But for whatever reason we're not so good at recognising the equivalent of that when it comes to weight management.

I learned on a thread here the other week that MH issues and meds see similar behaviour. Having not had MH issues myself, that was new information to me, but it also was really useful context for all the stuff about obese people needing psychological support or the jabs are a waste. And at least some of the posters who say this genuinely believe they're being helpful.

There seems to be a thread nearly every other day on here where people not on the injections pile on to give information on how to use them to people on them, give them guidance on their eating habits, and express concern over this prescription med.

When no one asked them, it’s often nonsense, and no one believes that they have come over all concerned about the regulatory authorities approval process for prescription meds.

it’s clear jealousy , and it has been from the very start when these meds came out. The fact we can inject once a week, become slim and healthy , stay on them, and stay slim and healthy, and they are unaffordable for some, has many of those unable to access jeakous as fuck.

i don’t think it’s fair it’s not more widely available, but spreading misinformation on line, or pretending to be some form of authority on this medication or pretending to be suddenly concerned about prescription meds won’t stop anyone taking them.

I think you're right. It baffles me why they're so keen to spout nonsense about something they so clearly know nothing about? I mean, I know hardly anything about baking (never baked a cake in my life) so it wouldn't occur to me to wander onto a baking thread and give the experts the benefits of my non-existent knowledge.

I’d say eating too much due to trauma is far from rhe leading cause of weight gain. Most peiple it’s a bit extra each week, busy lives etc, which then lead to metabolic issues, poor blood sugar and insulin responses and reduced glp production as we age.

like many women mine was due to increased cortisol in peri. Some folks seem to think all overweight people just sit on their sofas eating pizza. Which is odd, as I’d assume some posting that nonsense are fat themselves.

I didn't eat too much due to trauma. I ate too much because I was always hungry and couldn't stop thinking about food. It's not therapy territory. It's a metabolic condition possibly linked to my dysfunctional hormones (my gynae file is the large one, my mental health one is empty). I need medication not therapy and thank goodness one came along.

I doubt that poster will come back and answer, but am wondering if maybe she assumed everyone will be giving them up? Seems quite common for people randomly wandering into discussions with no background knowledge to start from the premise that they're time limited. Why, I don't know, but it's a thing.

Sorry, yes, it's not clear.

If you have/had an eating disorder you won't be prescribed WLJ.

Did you write that wrong, if you have an eating disorder you can’t be prescribed weight loss injections.

I had some "lifestyle coach" sessions and we talked about food, eating and reasons for me being obese.

I think it can help talking about it and looking closely at your diet, your eating and drinking habits, your goals and also your private life and how all this affects your weight gain and loss. It did help putting me mentally on the right path and also making me acknowledge some things where I found easy excuses in the past.

Weight loss can only be permanet if you work on the reasons for gaining originally. And sometimes it is needed to analyse it with someone who is objective and detached from your own life.

Bur I wouldn't call it therapy, in the majority of cases people don't have serious eating disorders causing the weight gain and then WLJs aren't actually right for you and won't be prescribed.

Except of course they are going to change things long term. They're drastically reducing their increased risk of Type 2 diabetes, heart disease, strokes, many cancers, osteoarthritis, hypertension, fatty liver disease, sleep apnea and overall increased risk of mortality.

Quite significant changes, wouldn't you agree?

Evidence? Are you a therapist?