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AIBU to think "Wellness gurus" are mostly spouting bollocks?

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WellnessWally · 07/01/2026 08:46

I was referred to Nuffield Health for their joint pain programme and had my "Health MOT" with the lady I had assumed was a physio (she runs the twice-weekly exercise class). Retrospectively, I think she was more a salesperson, as I had to hear all about their ongoing fees, children's membership etc. but that's perhaps another issue.

During the health MOT, I'd had to disclose other medical conditions - for me, mainly migraines. She asked me how much liquid I drank a day, and I said about 5 cups of tea. She acted as though I said I regularly shot heroin into my eyeballs. She told me that tea was no good and caffeine was dehydrating, and I wasn't getting ANY water at all. I know a little bit about this, so I said that actually yes, if you have pure caffeine it's dehydrating, but the amount of water in tea more than makes up for that. (Many studies have shown this.) She was insistent that I needed water or would become very ill. I said that I'd managed to survive so far - and it had probably been about two weeks since I had an actual glass of water.

Then she really pissed me off by telling me that's why I get migraines. I said to her that they were hormonal, I can pin the day of the month I'm going to get them and they are (hard-won) well-managed with medication. My daughter and my dad also get them, so there's a strong genetic link and it has nothing to do with caffeine. She disagreed.

I'm just so sick of people with no GCSEs in science spouting quasi-medical bollocks in what was basically a medical setting (I was referred by my GP). I'm not looking forward to seeing this woman twice a week for the next twelve weeks - though open to her being a better exercise leader - perhaps that's her strength.

But Wellness people - please, please stop spouting bollocks about clean eating and protein and caffeine and ultra-processed foods, unless you have the science to back it up (and I don't mean "watched a video on TikTok").

Rant over.

OP posts:
TaraLotus · 07/01/2026 14:02

BrokenSunflowers · 07/01/2026 13:31

You are so funny! Especially the PhD part!

Why??

Don't tell me it means nothing her science expertise and life of research

And you have three PHDs !

AudHvamm · 07/01/2026 13:52

WellnessWally · 07/01/2026 11:16

It might be required to take - but it doesn’t mean someone has passed it, does it? Plenty of my friends didn’t, but have gone on to have objectively much more successful careers than me (thankfully not as medics).

I don’t give a shit if you’ve passed GCSE Biology or not - so long as you’re not using a personal training qualification to give incorrect medical advice.

The pass rate for GCSEs is quite high, no?

Was she a registered personal trainer then? You didn't indicate in the OP that you knew what her qualifications were or weren't. You don't have to like or take her advice but the snide comment was unnecessary IMO and, again, there is nothing in your OP to suggest she purported to be a guru of any kind.

AudHvamm · 07/01/2026 13:48

YetAnotherWannabeWriter · 07/01/2026 11:31

This is all rather silly.
English maths and science are compulsory parts of the national curriculum in the UK.

This doesn't mean everyone passes a GCSE in any of them- in fact a large percentage of students don't pass English or Maths!

What is silly exactly? Clarifying that more adults under 50 will likely have a science GCSE than not?

BitOutOfPractice · 07/01/2026 13:45

WellnessWally · 07/01/2026 10:44

I was trying not to mention my degree in Biochemistry, because I didn’t want to sound like a snob.

When I say “well read” I mean (freely available) scientific studies, not a fluff piece in the Daily Mail, or an Insta story.

What would have been ideal (remember I was there for joint pain, not migraines) would be to weigh, measure, blood test, blood pressure (all of this done) and offer NO advice on lifestyle as I am not overweight, have a normal blood sugar and blood pressure and did not require her input into a well-managed, entirely separate medical issue.

I was trying not to mention my degree in Biochemistry, because I didn’t want to sound like a snob.

That, right there, is the best thing I’ve read on MN this week. Brava op, I love it!

BrokenSunflowers · 07/01/2026 13:31

TaraLotus · 07/01/2026 13:28

Yup a published professional with PHD... professor at red brick university... who works with herbs - very successfully in my quasi-sample of one!!!

Try to cope darling!

Edited

You are so funny! Especially the PhD part!

TaraLotus · 07/01/2026 13:28

BrokenSunflowers · 07/01/2026 13:22

wonderful wellbeing herbalist

😂🤣😂🤣

Yup a published professional with PHD... professor at red brick university... who works with herbs - very successfully in my quasi-sample of one!!!

Try to cope darling!

BrokenSunflowers · 07/01/2026 13:27

unageing · 07/01/2026 13:07

I said that I'd managed to survive so far - and it had probably been about two weeks since I had an actual glass of water.

God, just get a filter jug and drink some water. Alternatively, age horribly.

Why do you think water with a bit of sugar and flavouring added will have any different impact on you than drinking pure water and eating a slice of sour dough? Both end up as a mix of water and sugar in your stomach and aren’t magically absorbed before then.

BrokenSunflowers · 07/01/2026 13:22

wonderful wellbeing herbalist

😂🤣😂🤣

TaraLotus · 07/01/2026 13:15

LondonPapa · 07/01/2026 13:12

Something I’ve not seen you clarify is whether you do the Health MOT or the Health 360 - I know you said you were referred but by who and to what? As it’s entirely possible you booked the wrong service.

Anyway, the Health MOT isn’t medical at all and I think it is literally personal trainers peddling BS and upselling. Whereas Health 360 is carried out by medical professionals, and what you most likely thought you were going to?

Yes agreed- health mot probs with a personal trainer whereas one of the 360s woukd be with a medical professional ...

but still would hope personal trainer to have professional knowledge / anatomy physiology and recognised qualifications

ObelixtheGaul · 07/01/2026 13:14

CraftyBalonz · 07/01/2026 12:33

You do what you want, but if you pretend that you COULD NOT possibly drink potable water without adding processed sugary rubbish in it (or sugar-free processed rubbish) would prove my point.

Any fussy drink-refuser is miraculously cured the day they get thirsty and don't have pops available

I don't 'pretend' anything, I merely admit to the apparent sin of adding something to something to make it taste better. Which we ALL DO! If you are going to go down the rather silly route of 'if you had no other option', well yes, of course, just as I'm sure you'd eat stuff you don't like the taste of if that was all that is there, but that isn't the situation, is it? Nobody has said 'I wouldn't drink plain water if I was really thirsty and there was nothing available to add. Some people have said they don't drink plain water, that's all. It's not 'spoiled' to have a preference when that preference is freely available.

If you'd voluntarily drink something you dislike the taste of for no reason other than to take the high ground, that's up to you. If, however, you are happy with the taste of the water available to you, which I suspect is the truth of the matter, then good for you. If you weren't, I'm fairly sure you, like most people, would add something to make it taste better to you, rather than forcing yourself to drink it as is when you didn't have to.

Doesn't have to be sugary, processed crap you add, either. A bit of sliced lemon in it will do me.

It's not 'spoiled' to have preferences when there is choice available, and it is in no way a modern phenomena to eat and drink with consideration to personal taste.

LondonPapa · 07/01/2026 13:12

WellnessWally · 07/01/2026 11:16

It might be required to take - but it doesn’t mean someone has passed it, does it? Plenty of my friends didn’t, but have gone on to have objectively much more successful careers than me (thankfully not as medics).

I don’t give a shit if you’ve passed GCSE Biology or not - so long as you’re not using a personal training qualification to give incorrect medical advice.

Something I’ve not seen you clarify is whether you do the Health MOT or the Health 360 - I know you said you were referred but by who and to what? As it’s entirely possible you booked the wrong service.

Anyway, the Health MOT isn’t medical at all and I think it is literally personal trainers peddling BS and upselling. Whereas Health 360 is carried out by medical professionals, and what you most likely thought you were going to?

unageing · 07/01/2026 13:07

I said that I'd managed to survive so far - and it had probably been about two weeks since I had an actual glass of water.

God, just get a filter jug and drink some water. Alternatively, age horribly.

Thepeopleversuswork · 07/01/2026 12:54

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 07/01/2026 11:05

The underlying truth of this is that we live in an age when a lot of medicine is very sophisticated and that the dimmer sort of person is incapable of accepting that the expertise is out of their reach.

Some diagnosis is by remarkable machines, scans and tests; treatments for conditions are frequently drugs created by incredibly detailed and complex research.

But some people are deep-down frightened of a part of life they can’t understand and in which they must place their trust in others. So they invent these absurd ‘health’ regimes to try to feel more in control (and more ‘in the know’ and therefore self-important). Add in a debased religious impulse - woo is just ritual - and you get pointless water drinking and bollocks about detoxing, ‘unhealthy’ food and other such nonsense.

Spot on. We also now have this amplified by social media endlessly focusing on scientifically reductive information which is driven by algorithms.

My personal bugbear here is being sent endless stuff about cortisol, every time I open the internet. I’m not s scientist but even I know that the “solutions” are basically snake oil which is cynically targeting people according to their demographics and often with little scientific evidence but a big commercial impetus.

BlueFairyBugsBooks · 07/01/2026 12:54

I read a "health" book last year (I think) which said not only do you need to drink water, but it needs to be charged water. IIRC you do this by talking to it. Or some such.
My migraines get worse when I try and have less caffeine. So I drink as much as I want. I know it's "withdrawal" but im not bothered enough to put myself through it. Plus my manager would be royally pissed off if I took a week or more off of work.

TaraLotus · 07/01/2026 12:46

CraftyBalonz · 07/01/2026 10:54

having relevant qualification is not "being a snob", don't be ridiculous. It's just a factual description.

A practicing neurologist would also have more relevant points and experience in the discussion about migraines than a plumber - nothing to do with snobbiness. (I am neither!)

Such a shame that your education hasn't given you skills of discernment ( checking qualifications of practioners rather than ranting on here ), decent language and self control (reducing tea intake and increasing water)

hey ho

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 07/01/2026 12:44

TaraLotus · 07/01/2026 12:42

" ordinary food" = squash???

Really??? Cmon do better!!! It's processed junk!!!! Either sugared or aspartame!!!

That’s even more woo.

We’ll get opposition to ‘chemicals’ next.

TaraLotus · 07/01/2026 12:42

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 07/01/2026 12:37

…processed sugary rubbish in it (or sugar-free processed rubbish)

Here’s a prime example of woo. It’s squash. It’s not Polonium or arsenic. 🙄

You will do yourself no good by running away from ordinary food.

" ordinary food" = squash???

Really??? Cmon do better!!! It's processed junk!!!! Either sugared or aspartame!!!

itsthetea · 07/01/2026 12:41

Tea is probably better than squash these days
or dilute real fruit juice
or leave the water in a open jug in the fridge as the chlorine will dissapate

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 07/01/2026 12:37

…processed sugary rubbish in it (or sugar-free processed rubbish)

Here’s a prime example of woo. It’s squash. It’s not Polonium or arsenic. 🙄

You will do yourself no good by running away from ordinary food.

Noshowlomo · 07/01/2026 12:36

Alex Mytton from Made in Chelsea spouts off a load of shit on instagram now. It’s so funny. We’ve all seen him pissed, shagging all the girls (we haven’t literally seen him do this part!) and now he’s selling wellness and buying land to live in the woods. Feck off with ya!

CraftyBalonz · 07/01/2026 12:33

ObelixtheGaul · 07/01/2026 12:25

Yes, it is. I prefer a little squash to take the chlorine taste out of the water, here. It is, indeed, unpalatable to me to have something in my mouth that tastes of chlorine. I'm sure it is to most people, isn't it? Is it really so 'spoiled' to add something that's available to make it more pleasant to drink?

People have been doing that for centuries, as I said, because of both safety AND taste. I'm sure you season your food to your taste. I season my water to taste.

You do what you want, but if you pretend that you COULD NOT possibly drink potable water without adding processed sugary rubbish in it (or sugar-free processed rubbish) would prove my point.

Any fussy drink-refuser is miraculously cured the day they get thirsty and don't have pops available

ObelixtheGaul · 07/01/2026 12:25

CraftyBalonz · 07/01/2026 11:58

but that wasn't my point at all. It's not about safety at all, I am talking about fussy.

"Water refusers" are a modern and rich society luxury from people so spoilt they prefer sugar or processed drink, the same way people prefer to eat junk food and look in horror at healthy food.

In fact, what actually makes us 'spoiled' is the very fact that any of us can talk about drinking 'simple water' without having to, at the very least, boil it first.
and none of the water is unpalatable, that's the point.

Yes, it is. I prefer a little squash to take the chlorine taste out of the water, here. It is, indeed, unpalatable to me to have something in my mouth that tastes of chlorine. I'm sure it is to most people, isn't it? Is it really so 'spoiled' to add something that's available to make it more pleasant to drink?

People have been doing that for centuries, as I said, because of both safety AND taste. I'm sure you season your food to your taste. I season my water to taste.

beAsensible1 · 07/01/2026 12:22

If you feel thirsty it does mean you are dehydrated. As you should be drinking enough to not feel thirsty.

and yes lots of tea and not enough plain water will contribute to headaches as will too much caffeine. Headaches can be from so many different things, you can just trial and error.

yes wellness gurus with no quals are also grifters. Both can be true.

I currently have three drinks on my desk, I maybe over hydrated 😅

EricTheHalfASleeve · 07/01/2026 12:20

Well she's right that caffeine often worsens migraine. You won't get ill from 5 cups of tea a day but as a doctor I would advise you to cut back if you have regular migraines - it won't cure them but might help a bit.

Aluna · 07/01/2026 12:16

Claudiebus · 07/01/2026 11:35

Sorry but when I start feeling a headache coming on a coffee often helps stop it

As has been covered above, caffeine can both trigger and treat migraine - the vasoconstrictor effect can narrow dilated blood vessels at the start of an attack.

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