AIBU to think "Wellness gurus" are mostly spouting bollocks?

It goes on to say:

"So how much fluid does the average, healthy adult living in a temperate climate need? The U.S. National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine determined that an adequate daily fluid intake is:

• About 15.5 cups (3.7 liters) of fluids a day for men
• About 11.5 cups (2.7 liters) of fluids a day for women

As per, also, this other link from Harvard:

How Much Water Do You Need? • The Nutrition Source

I mean ... the first lines of the first article you linked are:

"How much water should you drink each day? It's a simple question with no easy answer.

Studies have produced varying recommendations over the years. But your individual water needs depend on many factors, including your health, how active you are and where you live.

No single formula fits everyone. "

They are literally saying that if you know next to nothing about someone, you can't simply decide they're not drinking enough water!

Water: How much should you drink every day? - Mayo Clinic

How much water should I drink a day? - Harvard Health

Hydration tips to live well with arthritis - The Arthritis Movement

Seeing as you've never met the OP, know very little about her or her condition, and (I'm assuming) are not a specialist in her particular area of medical concern, I have to ask ... how do you know?!

She asked me how much liquid I drank a day, and I said about 5 cups of tea.

I'm sorry, that is not enough.

I find this so mad. One of the first recommendation for joint pain is... drink more water. It's not pseudoscience. Juts google "drinking water and joint pain".

I don't see why you wouldn't up your intake of clear fluids. My cardiologist has told me to drink at least 2.5L of water with electrolytes a day to deal with a condition which was causing faintness. And it's worked, the faintness stopped.
It's a free, easy intervention that must surely be worth a try?

Look we all live by our own ethics right

I feel very uncomfortable that the OP will go take these treatments from a person she clearly doesn't respect. Who she has said many unkind things about. It feels dishonest. Dark. Weird. And i feel for the practioner.
Why not walk away and find another practioner. Because she wants something for free.

We all choose our own moral and ethical code - how we treat others how we speak to and about others how we show up in life.

Did you have to lie down and relax in order for the magnet to "work"? Because that may have played a part, too.

Human bodies are so complex, and there's still a lot we don't know. But we're always looking for the quick, simple fix. And there are plenty of people out there trying to monetise that desire.

Why would the OP not attend her classes?

There is really nothing rational about what you are posting. You are accusing the OP of being emotionally triggered about one aspect but you are suggesting that an adult wouldn’t put aside her feelings about someone who is under qualified in one area who has over stepped their competence limits, to get the benefit from their actual area of expertise.

That would be a very self sabotaging action for the OP to take. Maybe you are projecting yourself into this situation.

Yes I do think these so called gurus talk a load of bollocks. They enraged me.

I appreciate you taking the time to explain. I think often practitioners will use layman's terms or popular language because it's a faster way to connect or sell, and because not all clients are interested in detail. But, yes, absolutely agree re. evidence-based approaches, knowledge or practice gaps and how imprecise use of language can create false expectations.

You can absolutely give feedback about the service and her approach - there should be a way to do that anonymously so you can still take part.

If you haven't already it might be worth finding out more about what the service entails - these types of programmes often include general health and wellbeing elements (e.g smoking cessation services will often cover diet, mindfulness and sleep hygiene) as well as the targeted health concern.

Apologies if crossed wires. I'm a sports therapist and have heard all sorts of claims over the years. I think it's important for professionals to provide their clients with accurate, evidence based facts where possible, be honest if there are gaps in knowledge or evidence, and to recognise their scopes of practise and refer on where necessary.

So please stop telling people that migraine is somewhat self inflicted and can be cured miraculously.

That’s one of the modern-day quacks’ weapons: telling you that it’s your fault.

If you don’t follow the ludicrous advice to drink water unnecessarily, eat ‘cleanly’ or purge your toxins and you become ill or lose your looks it’s your fault.

Of course the major reason for this blaming and shaming is to attract paying clients and shift books and products. It’s a huge fraudulent industry. Or ‘Big Harmer’ as it’s properly known.

The newspapers don’t help. They love dubious health crap. And they like to write about people “fighting” disease, often cancer, as if it’s someone’s fault if they don’t ’fight’ hard enough and then die.

Why don't you give this feedback to Nuffield then? And ask them why they included those questions in a baseline questionnaire - ie find out what their theory of change for joint pain is - and what lifestyle factors are considered associated with joint pain in their programme so you can assess whether it's the right fit for you?

People give unsolicited advice (like I have here) all the time. You don't have to take it, you can ignore it & you don't have to prove you're right & she's wrong in order to do so. It is an annoyance of course, but minor, and your distain and dismissal of this individual as well as misrepresentation of them as a "wellness guru" are unreasonable.

@curious79
if you really want to get rid of the migraines there is a lot you could do (even with the genetic predisposition- the environment usually pulls the trigger when it comes to genes)

I call this BS !! hormonal migraine sufferer since early teens. There is really fuck all that can be done... and I have done everything from medication to clean eating. The only real thing that got rid of them was menopause.

So please stop telling people that migraine is somewhat self inflicted and can be cured miraculously.

Yes that's what I said. I mean that the massage therapists you've been speaking to are using the words toxins & waste interchangeably.

So your GP referred you for joint health, and you were offered an additional free service by Nuffield Health, thinly disguised as health related but actually upselling? Sounds typical of the private sector. Did you ask for a private referral?

Why does everything have to have a (bogus) health angle now? Massages are nice, pleasant, a bit of a luxury. Why spoil it with this drivel about toxins and ‘wellness’?

Same goes for food. And, for mental health, sitting quietly or being social. When I read a book or chat to friends I relax, think and sometimes laugh; I don’t need to consider these things ‘mindfulness’ or ‘therapy’.

Cellular waste products are normal and not equivalent to toxins. Unless therapists are treating people who have ingested heavy metals or had a massive paracetamol overdose then they are not removing, or helping to remove toxins. Massage absolutely can help improve circulation (including lymphatic) and as such can help remove metabolic waste products.