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AIBU to think "Wellness gurus" are mostly spouting bollocks?

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WellnessWally · 07/01/2026 08:46

I was referred to Nuffield Health for their joint pain programme and had my "Health MOT" with the lady I had assumed was a physio (she runs the twice-weekly exercise class). Retrospectively, I think she was more a salesperson, as I had to hear all about their ongoing fees, children's membership etc. but that's perhaps another issue.

During the health MOT, I'd had to disclose other medical conditions - for me, mainly migraines. She asked me how much liquid I drank a day, and I said about 5 cups of tea. She acted as though I said I regularly shot heroin into my eyeballs. She told me that tea was no good and caffeine was dehydrating, and I wasn't getting ANY water at all. I know a little bit about this, so I said that actually yes, if you have pure caffeine it's dehydrating, but the amount of water in tea more than makes up for that. (Many studies have shown this.) She was insistent that I needed water or would become very ill. I said that I'd managed to survive so far - and it had probably been about two weeks since I had an actual glass of water.

Then she really pissed me off by telling me that's why I get migraines. I said to her that they were hormonal, I can pin the day of the month I'm going to get them and they are (hard-won) well-managed with medication. My daughter and my dad also get them, so there's a strong genetic link and it has nothing to do with caffeine. She disagreed.

I'm just so sick of people with no GCSEs in science spouting quasi-medical bollocks in what was basically a medical setting (I was referred by my GP). I'm not looking forward to seeing this woman twice a week for the next twelve weeks - though open to her being a better exercise leader - perhaps that's her strength.

But Wellness people - please, please stop spouting bollocks about clean eating and protein and caffeine and ultra-processed foods, unless you have the science to back it up (and I don't mean "watched a video on TikTok").

Rant over.

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WellnessWally · 19/01/2026 12:05

Just updating this post to say that I reviewed my paperwork that I had to complete (including a Direct Debit form - in case I want to extend my gym membership in 6 months' time) and the horrid woman had also ticked to opt me into all marketing on fields I had deliberately left blank (I have a carbon copy. I saw her ticking stuff during the meeting but assumed it was an admin thing - e.g. blood pressure checked type thing). So that's a joy, and underlines my suspicion that she's primarily a sales person.

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HardyCrow · 17/01/2026 09:49

😂

WellnessWally · 12/01/2026 09:36

TaraLotus · 12/01/2026 08:23

I just wouldn't have a treatment or class or other service from someone I didn't like or respect.
Wouldn't let them into my day! My life! My choice!
Signing out now
Love and light! 💫⭐️

How would that work if you took a dislike to your dentist and there were no other NHS dentists? Or you thought your hairdresser's views on Reform were unpalatable but she was a really good hairdresser? Do you make people fill out a personality quiz before you let them collect your bins?

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TaraLotus · 12/01/2026 08:23

WellnessWally · 11/01/2026 15:58

Do you by any chance run an exercise class and imagine that everyone likes you @TaraLotus ? Even if you're doing a fabulous job, there are still going to be some people who just... don't like you. It's not necessarily a reflection on you, but more the fact the world is made up with lots of people with lots of opinions.

It's not two-faced or unethical to engage with the services of someone you don't like - unless you're lying to them and telling them how amazing they are.

I just wouldn't have a treatment or class or other service from someone I didn't like or respect.
Wouldn't let them into my day! My life! My choice!
Signing out now
Love and light! 💫⭐️

WellnessWally · 11/01/2026 15:58

TaraLotus · 11/01/2026 12:40

OK so you're a hypocrite too - your choice

Do you by any chance run an exercise class and imagine that everyone likes you @TaraLotus ? Even if you're doing a fabulous job, there are still going to be some people who just... don't like you. It's not necessarily a reflection on you, but more the fact the world is made up with lots of people with lots of opinions.

It's not two-faced or unethical to engage with the services of someone you don't like - unless you're lying to them and telling them how amazing they are.

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BitOutOfPractice · 11/01/2026 12:48

How on earth does that make me a hypocrite? I don’t pretend to like her. I don’t interact personally with her at all. She’s a perfectly ok spin instructor and the time I need to do the class to get to work, she teaches. I don’t need to like her. I just need to sit on my bike and pedal and say thank you at the end. Your interactions on this thread have been very odd from the get go!

TaraLotus · 11/01/2026 12:40

BitOutOfPractice · 11/01/2026 07:51

You’d find me very unethical @TaraLotus I go to a class every week that is taught by a woman I loathe. Because the time suits my schedule. The horror!

OK so you're a hypocrite too - your choice

WellnessWally · 11/01/2026 10:39

Fernsrus · 11/01/2026 09:49

I agree but also take responsibility for avoiding that shite and most importantly, learn which is shite and which is scientifically accurate. This is really important, because otherwise the next step will be the right wing calling scientific evidence wellness shite, because it suits big business interests.

I mean the right wing in America is literally calling science shite at the minute, with anti-vax nonsense going on.

But the number of people who think it "feels" healthier to drink water / avoid carbs / naysay cheese and then spout it as truth with no facts behind it is frankly worrying. I wonder if schools should introduce "fact from fiction - how to tell" in science, like they do with fake news in computer science at school

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Fernsrus · 11/01/2026 09:49

I agree but also take responsibility for avoiding that shite and most importantly, learn which is shite and which is scientifically accurate. This is really important, because otherwise the next step will be the right wing calling scientific evidence wellness shite, because it suits big business interests.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 11/01/2026 09:39

WellnessWally · 11/01/2026 07:43

OMG you've put your finger on something else that annoyed me. I have absolutely no evidence of this, but I definitely got the feeling that if my husband had told her that he had manly migraines, OR knew the science of caffeine/black tea being acceptable hydration, she wouldn't have dug her heels in and corrected him.

Women's bodies are fair game for "YOU'RE DOING BEING HUMAN WRONG".

Indeed women are easy targets for guilt tripping and not being perfect enough and then marketing gets involved to sell solutions. If we are suffering in any way it must mean that it’s our fault for not doing something right or taking xyz, in your case it’s your fault for not drinking enough water.

Bluebluesummer · 11/01/2026 08:59

TaraLotus · 10/01/2026 19:02

OK this is your position
we all choose and live by own codes of ethics in how to treat others

I’m not going to continue engaging after this because it is derailing, but I do think you keep framing your position as moral, which you’ve repeated several times.

That doesn’t really come across in your posts, though. Instead they read as quite aggressive, critical and judgemental of the OP for having a negative interaction with someone who stepped outside their area of expertise and offered unsolicited and clearly unwanted advice.

In my experience, people who behave in those ways, aggressively critical and judgemental often do see themselves as being in the moral right, even when others may not view it the same way.

BlessedCheesemaker · 11/01/2026 08:18

WellnessWally · 08/01/2026 13:42

The water question was not on her questionnaire - she asked me about that off her own back when she asked me if I had any prescription meds and I mentioned my triptan for migraine.

There is nobody else at this gym who runs the joint pain programme, so it's put up and shut up (or, I guess complain and deny myself free access to a gym and joint rehab).

I would suggest give your feedback to the department that referred you for the program. Do the program, the bits of it that are relevant may be fine, but the NHS is paying to send you and loads of other people on it, and you're being upsold memberships and given questionnable advice. They'll be paying for loads of other people to do the same thing, and if it's done shoddily, or even done alright but with dubious elements, it's the person who has decided to commission it that should get the feedback, because you can bet they very rarely do.

BitOutOfPractice · 11/01/2026 07:51

You’d find me very unethical @TaraLotus I go to a class every week that is taught by a woman I loathe. Because the time suits my schedule. The horror!

WellnessWally · 11/01/2026 07:43

SilverGlitterBaubles · 11/01/2026 07:23

My issue is more with the way supplements and other things are targeted at women, particularly as wonder cures for aging and menopause. It is a whole industry that has become increasing prevalent especially on social media. Previously it was miracle anti aging cream but now we have a multitude of different supplements and infra red masks and all kinds of stuff that we need to do to keep us from falling apart. Again lots of this has little scientific evidence to back it up, just celebrity endorsements and preying on women’s fears.

OMG you've put your finger on something else that annoyed me. I have absolutely no evidence of this, but I definitely got the feeling that if my husband had told her that he had manly migraines, OR knew the science of caffeine/black tea being acceptable hydration, she wouldn't have dug her heels in and corrected him.

Women's bodies are fair game for "YOU'RE DOING BEING HUMAN WRONG".

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SilverGlitterBaubles · 11/01/2026 07:23

My issue is more with the way supplements and other things are targeted at women, particularly as wonder cures for aging and menopause. It is a whole industry that has become increasing prevalent especially on social media. Previously it was miracle anti aging cream but now we have a multitude of different supplements and infra red masks and all kinds of stuff that we need to do to keep us from falling apart. Again lots of this has little scientific evidence to back it up, just celebrity endorsements and preying on women’s fears.

Valeriekat · 11/01/2026 06:43

AudHvamm · 07/01/2026 11:12

Google suggests it's been a required subject since the introduction of the National Curriculum in 1988. So most under 50s would have a science GCSE.

Clearly stuck on this but I thought was a shitty comment from the OP.

Required subject for study not necessarily a required GCSE.

Valeriekat · 11/01/2026 06:34

TaraLotus · 07/01/2026 09:47

Sample size of four not really scientific is it - very quasi sample b#@!%£#@!

Oh for Gods sake, she knows her own body!

TaraLotus · 10/01/2026 19:02

Bluebluesummer · 10/01/2026 14:45

This makes no sense. If a car mechanic started giving me parenting advice, I wouldn’t stop using them simply because I disagree with their views. That comparison doesn’t hold up. You’re claiming your argument has some moral perspective but it really doesn’t.

OK this is your position
we all choose and live by own codes of ethics in how to treat others

Bluebluesummer · 10/01/2026 14:45

TaraLotus · 10/01/2026 08:54

Look we all live by our own ethics right

I feel very uncomfortable that the OP will go take these treatments from a person she clearly doesn't respect. Who she has said many unkind things about. It feels dishonest. Dark. Weird. And i feel for the practioner.
Why not walk away and find another practioner. Because she wants something for free.

We all choose our own moral and ethical code - how we treat others how we speak to and about others how we show up in life.

This makes no sense. If a car mechanic started giving me parenting advice, I wouldn’t stop using them simply because I disagree with their views. That comparison doesn’t hold up. You’re claiming your argument has some moral perspective but it really doesn’t.

WellnessWally · 10/01/2026 14:07

The human body has been so finely-tuned through literal millennia of evolution. Our biofeedback is exceptional. We know when we're too hot, too cold; we have even developed a sense of when someone is watching us. How can someone genuinely believe that it's "harmful" to feel thirsty?

(And yes, 5 large mugs of tea a day, plus vegetables, fruit, pasta, soup - lots of things that help make up my total fluid intake. My urine is the right colour, generally, thanks for your interest. My migraines persist on certain days of the month, regardless. Luckily a triptan usually sorts them out.)

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DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 10/01/2026 13:17

If you need fluid you feel thirsty. Then you take in fluid.

Medicalising this simple fact of everyday life is a sure sign of charlatanism.

ObelixtheGaul · 10/01/2026 13:11

unageing · 10/01/2026 10:41

It goes on to say:

"So how much fluid does the average, healthy adult living in a temperate climate need? The U.S. National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine determined that an adequate daily fluid intake is:

  • About 15.5 cups (3.7 liters) of fluids a day for men
  • About 11.5 cups (2.7 liters) of fluids a day for women
These recommendations cover fluids from water, other beverages and food. About 20% of daily fluid intake usually comes from food and the rest from drinks."

As per, also, this other link from Harvard:

How Much Water Do You Need? • The Nutrition Source

Fluids...tea is a fluid. 5 cups is probably mugs. The article also states that 20% of fluid intake comes from food. So, 5 large mugs of tea a day, plus OP's food intake, bearing in mind some food has a higher water content than others, is probably sufficient, depending on her activity levels and her diet.

Melarus · 10/01/2026 11:24

unageing · 10/01/2026 10:41

It goes on to say:

"So how much fluid does the average, healthy adult living in a temperate climate need? The U.S. National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine determined that an adequate daily fluid intake is:

  • About 15.5 cups (3.7 liters) of fluids a day for men
  • About 11.5 cups (2.7 liters) of fluids a day for women
These recommendations cover fluids from water, other beverages and food. About 20% of daily fluid intake usually comes from food and the rest from drinks."

As per, also, this other link from Harvard:

How Much Water Do You Need? • The Nutrition Source

That's an AVERAGE. You can't generalise from an average and assume it applies to everyone, or it should be a goal to aim for. That's not how averages work.

It's like saying that the average trouser leg inseam is 35", so I should hem all my trousers to 35" - even though you have never looked at me to see how short or tall I am.

Honestly, it's a two-edged sword, living in the "age of information". There's so much interesting stuff to be found out, and yet just as much that's ripe for misinterpretation. And the blind confidence in one's expertise in a subject, having spent a few hours on Google, is a real liability.

WellnessWally · 10/01/2026 11:05

unageing · 10/01/2026 10:55

And yet you have joint pain. Waiting until you are seriously dehydrated to drink water is a bad choice, as if relying on cues of thirst. I have no degrees, and do not have a high horse to get up upon, unlike you, but my rheumatologist, who is head of rheumatology at two major hospitals, and hardly a woo-meister, would heartily disagree with you. Your (dessicated) funeral.

"I have no experience and no qualifications and you have no symptoms at all related to dehydration, and indeed your tests showed good hydration, but here is my unasked-for opinion."

Ooh - I've heard that somewhere else this week.

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unageing · 10/01/2026 10:55

WellnessWally · 10/01/2026 10:49

It's very easy to tell if you are dehydrated - your pee is darker than it should be and... miraculously you tend to feel thirsty.

Tea, plus food (e.g. soups, pastas, vegetables, fruits) all contribute to your fluid intake.

Unless you have a qualification in neurology (NB not an online course that cost £12.99), I'm not particularly interested in your opinion on how to manage my (already well-managed) condition.

And yet you have joint pain. Waiting until you are seriously dehydrated to drink water is a bad choice, as if relying on cues of thirst. I have no degrees, and do not have a high horse to get up upon, unlike you, but my rheumatologist, who is head of rheumatology at two major hospitals, and hardly a woo-meister, would heartily disagree with you. Your (dessicated) funeral.

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