To dob in family member - benefits

Well be clearer then. Because from what I’ve read you have no understanding of the system.

Well if it happens that often you should be used to it and able to keep your temper.

Just fed up of being told what I meant when I write something.

And wrong !!

I’m not reading anything. I’ve been a part of the PIP system since 2013 and the notion that reviews don’t take place to ensure there have been no changes in a claimants’ condition is just ridiculous. Only those with open ended awards with conditions unlikely to change for the better escape the review system. All other claims have a built in end date at which point a review takes place. It might take a while for that review decision to be delivered because there are backlogs but they are part of the system and to suggest otherwise indicates that you have little idea of how that system works.

Gosh you're cross!

No I was stating what should be happening and that it isn’t always being done. But you read what you want.

My point is if things change then benefits should be stopped if they wouldn’t be awarded if they were a new claimant. Things change and so should the benefits paid as a result.

Yes, you kind of did. Reviews and self reporting of a change in circumstances have always been part of the system. It’s nothing new.

Oh do piss off, I didn’t for one second suggest it as a brand new idea.

And it’s massively naive to suggest that medical professionals acting as assessors will not be familiar with what would be the normal expectation of effects from someone self reporting. Not everyone will be in receipt of a diagnosis. And for Pip a diagnosis is not necessary because benefit is not awarded on the basis of having a certain condition, it’s awarded on the basis of how that condition affects the claimant taking into account the fact that no condition has the same effect on any two sufferers.

Because they’re medical professionals and much of the time they have the claimants’ own medical evidence from other professionals who have been involved with their care for much longer, and know them much better. Even when this is not the case, their medical knowledge will inform them as to the expectations as to the limitations and effects of many disabilties as the norm.

Right. No need to suggest it as if it's a brand new idea you've come up with is there?

Good points, well made.

There are lots of conditions that there's no clear test to diagnose people - the diagnosis is made based on the individuals self reported symptoms. Eg IBS, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome. They are often a diagnosis of elimination where doctors can't find something else wrong and the symptoms fit.

So yes there absolutely are things that are very much based on self reporting

There's no test for things like anxiety? You can only go on what a person tells their doctor they are experiencing. Of course most will be honest but its massively naive to suggest nobody out there chooses to exaggerate in order to better their chances of securing a higher rate of disability benefits.

OMG get a life and leave your relative to theirs.

You obviously dislike your relative or are jealous of them. Neither are a great look. Leave them alone.

To give a bit more context to the £9.5b figure, money lost to tax avoidance, evasion, non payment etc was £46.8bn in the last tax year, but absolutely keep focusing on making sure those with the least do not get a single penny more than they should. It'll make all the difference to the overall budget.

When random strangers are the ones ‘dobbing you in’ because you don’t look disabled enough of course you need to care.

Unfortunately, yes, I do need to care about the dangerous and malicious propaganda being spread by numerous posters on threads like this. Sadly, this is not just a hypothetical, purely online issue, these harmful offensive opinions can have a detrimental effect on wider public attitudes and as a result can cause real hurt to actual, living and breathing disabled people.
This OP is a case in point. Offering the OP the benefit of the doubt and accepting that her relative is real and their circumstances as OP describes and not an ableist dog-whistle of a post of the sort that too often proliferate on this site, the OP is essentially asking random strangers on the internet to validate her desire to report a family member for benefits fraud, based on seemingly no evidence other than her vague opinion that he isn't 'disabled enough' to qualify.
The posters on here encouraging her to report the relative, who, surprisingly for this site appear to be in the minority, are advising the OP to potentially instigate a fraud investigation which could cause months and months of stress and mental anguish, entirely on the basis that she thinks she knows better than qualified professionals who doubtless had access to significant medical information which she does not.
The thought of disabled people being forced to undergo gruelling and humiliating investigations because a bitter and judgemental busy-body reported them to the DWP for fraud because they caught them smiling, leaving the house, having friends round or any of countless other things us disabled people aren't supposed to do is chilling.
I work full time, am happily married with a wonderful baby and have an active social life with family and friends. I also claim PIP, which, as others have noted, is non-means tested. It in no way covers the extra costs related to my disability, but it helps. However, as I said in an earlier comment, I don't really have to worry about people reporting me to the DWP for PIP fraud if I go out for dinner with my family as my disability is both very noticable and is also the kind of condition pretty much universally recognised as a disability.
If I had an invisible disability I would probably be terrified to leave the house knowing there were unpleasant, judgemental people like these posters around, deciding I was fraudulently claiming to be disabled based on a cursory glance, rather than the reams of evidence PIP claimants have to submit with their claim and eager to attempt to destroy my life based entirely on flimsy assumptions and prejudices.

It’s not just fraud, it’s DWP error too - it’s all lumped together. A bit of critical thinking would tell you why.

I'm with you there.
It seems to me that crime rule number one would be keep your mouth shut.

I'm amazed police don't just hang around pubs, coffee shops, dog parks and the like with tape recorders since it appears people are going round confessing their dodgy dealings left, right and centre.

Or just strike up a conversation with randoms at tesco. A bit of a chat about the weather while they peruse the beans and five minutes later theyll be fessing up to all sorts.

Are you a DWP assessor? Social worker? What makes you think you are qualified to say that your disabled relative isn't disabled enough for what they get?

Good plan. Oh and don't roll your eyes so,you'll give yourself a headache.

I hate the system so many who need it don't get and others seem to get so much. It pisses me off.

I see the DWP figure touted on these threads all the time as absolute proof that there is such a teeny tiny fraud rate to make it virtually none existant. Also you don't need to wish Karma to catch me as I have RP so there's a massive possibility that I will lose my sight in the coming years. This still doesn't stop me being enraged at benefit fraud and the people who openly advocate to 'mind your own' Beak out' etc etc and MN is full of them.