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PIP is not an out of work benefit. How many more times?

Wow you really are sanctimonious! How dare you think you know better than the person who has the disability.

You & your family gossip about your relative and that is ok?? Who made you all judge & jury?

I wish your relative finds out what you were planning to do and she removes you all from her life. You are just spiteful thinking you know better. People like you make me sick, how dare you think you can target a disabled person and turn their life upside.

I don’t know how you sleep at night!

The people assessing are incompetent and have targets to meet getting people onto the system.

The rules should be much more stringent and the scope of motability cars limited.
But….you will never win OP because around one in five (20%) new cars sold in the UK are through the Motability Scheme, making it a huge buyer. You know what they say “follow the money” and there’s a likelihood dealerships will fold if the scheme was cut back.

Labour are creating a dependency state to ensure their voter base. How thoroughly depressing. Nobody should be on PIP without regular reviews.
It’s scandalous we are relegating people to benefits forever, allowing some not to ever have to look for work.

Most physical injuries are proven by xray and MRI scans these days anyway, so very hard to fake I would think.

Frequent falling is a major mobility problem, you absolute dolt!

damn spell check altered motorbility

Trust me you don't know the ins and outs of another person's disability. My friends and family would say I'm fine but thats because I put on a show for them they don't see the before and after nobody does.

For a start it’s motability not motorbility . I’m in receipt of the same. I work full time, I leave the house looking perfectly normal within my face if yiu ignore the obvious limp and walking stick. But inwardly I’m in pain 24/7 to varying degrees. I barely sleep hence posting this at 2.30 am but to my work colleagues who see me on teams and the very rare few days a year I make it into the office, they would have no idea. Most just think I have a limp, if only that was all. You have no idea what they are masking just to be able to function. It could be over egged and therefore not totally the correct award or it could be totally deserved, you are not the person to judge them.

Yep, but you wont stop arseholes on here arguing that people on PIP should not be in pubs, going to hairdressers, going on holiday, dancing at weddings, having any sort of life at all.
They need to stay home and live off gruel, to prove they are disabled enough.. not to the DWP, but to their "friends", relatives and neighbours.

PIP not being an out of work benefit isn't a matter for debate. It's a fact.

Then why mention "guy down the pub" at all? You brought it up, not me.

Selectively arguing points that disabled people should not go to the pub is not what I said - keep trying to shut down reasonable comments though. It reflects well on you / your cause.

I have a child who is diagnosed with learning disabilities and severe autism/adhd. He doesn’t get a car but he can’t get on a bus due to behaviour and is a 2 person needed case when outside as he can abscond/hurt himself or others in the community. We’ve evidenced this and given examples where he ran into the road and stopped traffic, he required a specialist buggy at 10 but refused a wheelchair making his life very very small. He also will climb out of car seats and needed specialist straps.
We were backed up from the Sen school, Paediatricians etc and other agencies involved.
We didn’t get the higher rate at all, which is fine we get by, but to get the higher rate really isn't easy and even though my DC can’t access public transport realistically without 2 adults incase he acts out and causes problems, he is on the lowest rate. These assessments are tough. If this family member has given them their evidence then let them be. Your duty to society is to behave respectfully to others and not try to diminish their quality of life because you think they don’t deserve nice things if they’re disabled.

Wtf is wrong with you??

How much are they awarded and why do you feel they don't 'deseeve' it?

Very true.

What has it got to do with you? Mind your own business!

Guy down the pub? Since when has being on PIP meant you can't go to the pub?
PIP is not means tested so you can work cash in hand all you want. Although that will be a matter for the HMRC.

You seem to be of the belief that disabled people must be shut away at home. If they are out, then they must be taking the piss.

Hide your head in the sand about how PIP is an out of work benefit all you want, but the fact it, is that is a payment to give people with disabilities some independence. That means going out and doing the things you take for granted.

I can confidently say I do not know anything about the medical history of "the bloke down the pub" or of random playground families. I don't even know enough about the medical history of most relatives to decide whether they would or would not be entitled to PIP because their private health concerns are not my business unless they come to me with them for support.

I do know one of my sister's friends who was "signed off with stress." Everyone knew she was blagging, she was at the pub x times a week, always on days out with her kids and even went to Florida. Unfortunately, the gossips didn't gossip quietly enough for her not to hear them. Nor did any of them apologise to her family when the terminal cancer diagnosis she'd been given killed her 6 months after she was "signed off with stress."

No need to apologise. I'm glad I wasn't the only person to ask that question. I notice the OP didn't answer it.

Not a single family in the playground? Guy down the pub? Cousin with a dodgy partner who’s doing cash in hand gardening? Not one? Ok.
I probably won’t engage much more with this thread as the histrionics have begun, as they always do and that details any thread of this type.
I won’t be drawn into benefits experts debate about whether pip is an out of work benefit. It derails. I know who I know and I know what I know. There’s going to be a lot of frothing when government announces benefit reforms- most of the public will be ok with this- because they have the same experiences I mention on this thread. Good night. Go well.

OP

I'm just not feeling like being as kind as everyone else right now.

If you’re so determined to wreck someone’s life out of envy, jealousy, and a warped sense of justice or morality, and you believe a person with disabilities who receives state support doesn’t deserve anything good, why not live that reality yourself? Why not go through an accident that leaves you disabled if you think that’s fair? Why not lose your hands, other vital parts of your body, or your mobility to make things “equal” and “worthy” in your eyes? It would be something to watch you struggle to survive, fighting for state aid. Even more ironic would be imagining you stuck at home doing absolutely nothing, since you think people with disabilities can’t do anything and shouldn’t have anything you don’t approve of—doing nothing you believe that family member can’t do because of her disabilities. If she can’t do what you disapprove of, then by your logic, neither can you.

P.s: For goodness' sake, here's some advice for anyone reading this: never share your financial matters with anyone you don't trust completely! There are people out there who would love to destroy you.

I’d say, put yourself in their shoes. If you had the same health issues, would you just sit around all day or would you try to do things with your life? And would you think the amount they are receiving is fair if it were you in their place?

OP, I can empathise with your feelings, having had two relatives claiming benefits in dubious circumstances:

One received disability benefits for decades, the relevant condition relating to a bad back. We never saw any evidence of back issues that meant that they were unable to work. Later in life, they did some training (I recall, rather ironically, in a physio-related area) and ended up working in the health system for a period.

The other received unemployment benefits whilst also working cash-in-hand in tradesman jobs, amongst other pursuits. At one point, this person was doing some work on our house and said they wouldn't be able to attend in the morning because they had to go to the dole office to collect their cheque! I would be surprised if this person ever submitted an accurate tax return. The closest I came to contemplating dobbing them in was when their house, which was on a very large block, was largely destroyed by fire. I do not know whether they was receiving benefits at this stage, but they still seemed to be enjoying lots of 'off the books' income. In claiming insurance for the fire, they included lost income from tenants who also lived at this property. I wondered whether the insurance company would be interested to know that these individuals were not in the fire-affected house but in separate cabins, and whether the Tax Office would be interested to hear about all this rental income!

OP, I never did anything, and indeed never seriously contemplated reporting either of them. But as someone who is a firm believer in having a safety net, and who has (happily) paid a lot into it, it was frustrating to see relatives deciding to opt out of the social contract. I couldn't understand the ethics of it, and it seemed so selfish. I guess they just had a very different view of the world.

Should you feel like a 'bad person' for not acting? I think some of the problems have been highlighted by others, including whether you have access to all the relevant evidence. But even if your relative is gaming the system (as I'm sure one of mine was, and likely the other too), I also accept that (1) there will be a certain amount of fraud in any benefits system and (2) it will be too costly and counterproductive to stamp all of it out. To the extent there are, in my view, huge issues with the setup and sustainability of the benefits system in the UK, I think that there are other, far bigger, issues we need to address than dodgy claims.

I hope this helps, OP.

Everyone doesn’t know a blagger, I don’t. Come from a big working class family, plenty of friends, live in a suburban area where you can’t sneeze loudly without the whole street knowing so it’s not due to lack of exposure to people and their business.

If overall most of the money goes to the right people, I couldn’t care less even if I did. No scheme has 0% fraud and the cost of tracking down the tiny minority committing will probably outweigh the savings. The systems been screwed by austerity, poor policy making and bureaucracy, not a few people getting a free hired Nissan Juke.