To dob in family member - benefits

Whether genuine or not you seem to be very close friends with your neighbour (I know very little to nothing about mine). Maybe better if you distance yourself from him so you’re not so aware of his daily comings and goings and who he’s visiting and how and when he gets cash in hand jobs.

Why?

How do you envisage this humiliation looking?

80% of pip claimants do not work.

Expose them.
Those who abuse the system need to be punished and humiliated publicly.

So, @Dragonsfoot I appreciate that you didn’t start this post expecting to be on the receiving end of such anger, but I think the issue here is that people such as yourselves really do not understand the process, the criteria or what the purpose of PIP is. The headlines in the newspapers, the rhetoric on SM has an over-simplified and uninformed understanding of what is involved. I and my DS are also ASD/ADHD, but neither of us qualify for PIP as we are not ‘disabled’ by it - even though it is regarded as a disability. For my DD it is a chronic, pernicious disability that impacts every waking day of her life - and even when she appears to be well she is counting the seconds to getting back to her safety zone [her room].

I hope that, if you can deflect from the anger and frustration of some of the PPs here (my comments probably reflect that, so I apologise if it upsets) but actually tae a moment to read the gov.uk websites about the criteria, or the posts about severely impacted people who need the support PIP provides. Or just accept that it is a complex process and that the multiple agencies that are involved in allocating an PIP award are staffed by caring professionals who actually know what they are doingl

I very much doubt anything would come of you reporting. I have reported my neighbour numerous times who supposedly has such bad anxiety and panic attacks that he cannot leave his house so therefore cannot work.

He in fact leaves his house every single day. He goes shopping most days, he walks his dogs, he visits his girlfriend, he sees his son. Oh and he also works most days cash in hand.

He has been getting away with this for over 3 years.

Lots of evidence that people use at tribunals is self reported. Eg they may have visited their doctor and self reported to the doctor that they are really struggling dressing and need help to do so every day. The doctor will then record that and it becomes a piece of 'evidence'

This is the biggest issue around the whole system. When the numbers of claimants are so vast you have to rely on people's self reported symptoms largely, and there's a lot of scope for people to exaggerate. Not lie necessarily, but claim that 6 days out of 7 they are struggling when maybe it's only 1-2 days out of 7.

The difference is a successful claim versus an unsuccessful one, as a lot of the criteria are around how frequently your disability is affecting you as this gives a sense of its impact on your life.

Look at all the threads on here where people are advised to describe their worst day. What if that 'worst day' only happens once every 6 months, is that still a fair claim?

I can see you’ve been piled on, OP. So I won’t do that.

What I will say, is that the general public have no real insight into the decision making process, and many people hide certain things from their families, so can appear to be doing better than how they truly are.

I see chancers every day - as you can imagine - so I do get where you’re coming from, but you might be barking up the wrong tree here.

If you report, they’ll start an investigation process. Once that starts, it’s out of your hands.

@Dragonsfoot
You don’t know the ins and outs of it though do you? To get a MOTABILITY- not “motorbility” whatever that is - vehicle they will have had to evidence to the independent Tribunal their mobility issues.
The fact that you refer to them having a “motorbility” car suggests that you are full of the proverbial shit.

Indeed - it’s not all about being physically disabled. Many disabilities are ‘invisible’ so my DD is physically very able (very talented snowboarder apparently) but due to ASD/ADHD is unable to travel by public transport alone unless accompanied or it is a route she knows and has rehearsed a lot (and it is not peak hours/crowded). Even then, if there is a station closure or train cancellation and the line becomes congested, she will implode, so needs to be able to call a car - or me. I have lost count the number of times in the last 3 years I have had to drive across Surrey and London at midnight-4am to rescue her because she ‘thought’ she would be able to cope with a concert/gig/party and then got stranded because 80,000 people heading home at the same time meant she was completely overwhelmed by the crowds.

But certain PP/OPs probably think it is heinous and unconscionable that she even left the house to go to a gig, and try to make friends by doing a normal student activity, at all.

Professionals and a tribunal will have much more knowledge and access to their health records, than you have.

I would leave it be.

It’s not your decision, and you’re a sticky beak. Keep out of other people’s business

Whilst you may have been ambiguous on whether you are a him or a her @Dragonsfoot, you’ve been very clear on bring a petty, spiteful arsehole.

Quite something that on a site that regularly bashes benefits claimants and supports the notion anyone getting benefits should never leave home or have any joy or comfort, you’ve so throughly had your arse handed to you.

Maybe use that as a conversation starter for your bitchy relatives gatherings.

Its not just about walking ,my son currently gets HRM under DLA due to severe mental impairment he csn walk for miles but at 15 has the cognitive ability of a toddler
When he transition, s to PIP this year I dont see that changing as he hasent a cat in hells chance of planning and undertaking a journey form A to B independently.

I hate these threads. Shame on you OP.

This thread is so depressing. The amount of people rejected that end up in very dire straits is scary and then we have this on top of it demonising us as disabled people because yes it’s us in the end that get the gossip, the dirty looks, the worry of pushing through as to not burden on top of having a shitty condition. I’d rather not have that and live to old age but hey ho!!

Honestly - they don’t monitor unless an officious neighbour or - cough - relative reports them with actual evidence. They took 8months to process our claim due to backlog - a straightforward evidenced claim with an initial in person interview with DWP (to vet me, as much as DD) and then via zoom to do the actual assessment for my DD herself. They simply do not have the manpower or budget to be snooping and spying. That’s a myth rooted in the wishful thinking of anti-benefits [possibly right wing] handwringing.

Please don’t let it stop you making a claim because if they deem you as eligible you should take the money and use it to support pain management therapies that just aren’t available on the NHS, or to get a cleaner - no one has to know you receive it. It is no one else’s business, so if you are awarded it, just keep it to yourself. Judging by this post, I wouldn’t even tell family!!

Being awarded PIP does not mean you cannot work, cannot walk or do some decorating - disabilities are not always obvious, your relative has health problems and the award was made after the facts had been examined by DWP at a tribunal, so they were obviously satisfied - it really is none of your business.

But that is clearly a one off and very different from a family member clearly seeing someone regularly and what they have claimed for PIP not matching what they are observing.
I have to push through some days but I would then be observed in following days to be resting.
I'm sorry for your struggles and did not mean to offend. I have a hidden disability, (and children) so understand how hard it is some days!

This. Interesting how peoples social duty so often manifests as taking things away from people rather than offering them something.

Also please remember you don’t know what you don’t know. I have a condition I won’t tell my family about alongside my disability as it relates to SA from a family member.

My friend is on the highest award of PIP, she did have an accident a few years ago but has now healed. Lives she lives a full life, nothing to stop her working, she admits she just doesn’t want to & her husband is on a 6 figure income so is a stay at home wife (no kids) , quite frankly she shouldn’t be on the highest rate of PIP and knows it. She Has said when it runs out in 2 yrs at next review then she’ll think about getting a job. Another man at my work, works full time, says he uses all the £400 PIP he gets a month towards his holidays. So let’s not kid ourselves that it’s not possible to get PIP where it’s not really warranted.

Social duty my ass. If you're concerned about social duty do something positive for someone. Leave them alone. You'd feel shit if you reported them anyway.

Of course you should stay out of it. They did the right thing in getting a good advisor for the Tribunal, I used our local PIPfixer for my claim. . We all have good days and bad days.

You think you know better than the tribunal system why on earth would the DWP take your word over the judge.