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Dragonsfoot · 06/01/2026 23:16

I have a relative that does have health problems. They went to tribunal and were awarded higher rate PIP and have a motorbility car apparently supported by a Rottweiler of an advocate. I have no gripe that they deserve something - occasional falls, mild mental health problems, physical health problems that require monitoring and support and mild difficulties dressing themselves due to joint problems but don’t actually need to be helped. They do have a disability.

However, they are able to walk miles most of the time, decorate their home, complete domestic tasks and attend social activities on a very regular basis on foot. Morally torn. They probably will struggle without the money. Would DWP even do anything kind of thing. Either way I feel a bad person.

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Thirdchildjoy · 07/01/2026 09:21

CautiousLurker2 · 07/01/2026 09:18

And in the middle ages, the people who receive PIP would likely have not survived. They relied on family and the Alms of the church or support from the feudal master… so most died of starvation and abuse. Am rather glad we don’t live in those times.

The PIP bill is high, but there are many other benefits we can look at capping and reducing, and many many other areas of the public purse that need addressing before we throw the compassion and core moral values that used to be what made Britain great.

These posters would have loved that - a world without disabled people. Fortunately most in society have moved on dramatically.

sunshinestar1986 · 07/01/2026 09:21

Dragonsfoot · 06/01/2026 23:19

Haven’t a clue. They do have health problems as I say, just the award doesn’t feel proportionate to the problems they encounter.

Did you want them to be bed bound before they deserve it?
When they're bed bound, actual carers come and look after them provided by adult social services
Did u know that 🙄
Pip is literally to help people be independent

sashh · 07/01/2026 09:20

Penelope23145 · 06/01/2026 23:23

If they are getting a motoribility car then they either are saying that they cannot reliably mobilise more than 20m or they cannot leave the house alone and plan and follow a journey due to psychological distress on the majority of days.. These would be the two main criteria for someone being awarded enhanced rate mobility which is what they need to participate in the motorbility scheme. If neither of these apply ( which you seem to be suggesting ) then YANBU.

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Or pain. You might be physically able to walk but it might be incredibly painful.

OP unless you are with this person 24/7 365 days a year you have no idea of their difficulties.

CautiousLurker2 · 07/01/2026 09:18

Thirdchildjoy · 07/01/2026 09:07

Some posters would definitely have preferred to have live in the middle ages.

And in the middle ages, the people who receive PIP would likely have not survived. They relied on family and the Alms of the church or support from the feudal master… so most died of starvation and abuse. Am rather glad we don’t live in those times.

The PIP bill is high, but there are many other benefits we can look at capping and reducing, and many many other areas of the public purse that need addressing before we throw the compassion and core moral values that used to be what made Britain great.

Thirdchildjoy · 07/01/2026 09:18

Teanbiscuits33 · 07/01/2026 09:16

You can’t just claim you’ve got arthritis and the doctors will go ‘’oh, okay then!’’ The person will be checked and diagnosed. Are you really that dense? Why are you lying? 🤣

I think there is zero chance that that "distant relative" exists.

ForWittyTealOP · 07/01/2026 09:18

Thirdchildjoy · 07/01/2026 09:14

I'm sure many of "the disabled must be forced to work" brigade would be the first to complain if my quadriplegic relative was was wheeled onto a plane in the pilots uniform.

It's not about being forced to work though. It's about people having the same opportunities as others. I agree that there's been an attempt by our government to link disability and worklessness and to position work as the cure all for disability. But if you'd like to work, disability shouldn't be a barrier imposed by society and employers because employing disabled people is too much trouble.

Teanbiscuits33 · 07/01/2026 09:16

lindyloo57 · 07/01/2026 09:14

I too know of a distant family member who do this , he says to doctors he is suffering with arthritis all over his body can hardly walk, what the doctors don't know is, every weekend his at the nightclubs dancing all night and getting drunk.

You can’t just claim you’ve got arthritis and the doctors will go ‘’oh, okay then!’’ The person will be checked and diagnosed. Are you really that dense? Why are you lying? 🤣

GusGloop · 07/01/2026 09:15

You have mentioned social duty, morally torn, and things like that as if this is your responsibility or decision. It might help to think of it as none of your business instead.

Thirdchildjoy · 07/01/2026 09:14

ForWittyTealOP · 07/01/2026 09:10

Disabled by what? Purely by their condition or also by society's preconceptions, biases and prejudice? We've seen a lot of ableism on this thread alone. I know from my own experience how hard it can be to get and sustain work with a disability.
Many, if not most employers pay the most basic lip service to making the kind of reasonable adjustment that would enable disabled employees to be on an equal footing to those who aren't disabled.

I'm sure many of "the disabled must be forced to work" brigade would be the first to complain if my quadriplegic relative was was wheeled onto a plane in the pilots uniform.

Boomer55 · 07/01/2026 09:14

Dragonsfoot · 06/01/2026 23:45

No I don’t enjoy perfect health and am perfectly content that the benefits system is there to help people who need it. I am happy to pay tax to facilitate this.

If anyone receives PIP or DLA, and it’s been to tribunal, then you can be reassured that many professionals have looked at it.

I get DLA (never been migrated because of age ) and had to submit reams of evidence, which I did. It was physical stuff, so pretty simple to get lots of evidence.

I rarely talk about my health, except to my nearest and dearest, and I get help in as and when I need it. It’s not compulsory to talk about your own health, or justify myself, nor is it to get daily help. The need just has to be proved to those that make the decisions. .

I also pay tax. 🤷‍♀️

She doesn’t need to prove a thing to you or your spiteful relatives.

Best that all of you just get on with enjoying your own lives, and leave her be.

Not your circus, not your clowns. 🙄

lindyloo57 · 07/01/2026 09:14

I too know of a distant family member who do this , he says to doctors he is suffering with arthritis all over his body can hardly walk, what the doctors don't know is, every weekend his at the nightclubs dancing all night and getting drunk.

Twoboysandabengal · 07/01/2026 09:12

You need to get a hobby, which might lead to a life!

ForWittyTealOP · 07/01/2026 09:10

Thirdchildjoy · 07/01/2026 09:05

Because they are disabled obviously that is the point.

Disabled by what? Purely by their condition or also by society's preconceptions, biases and prejudice? We've seen a lot of ableism on this thread alone. I know from my own experience how hard it can be to get and sustain work with a disability.
Many, if not most employers pay the most basic lip service to making the kind of reasonable adjustment that would enable disabled employees to be on an equal footing to those who aren't disabled.

averychoc · 07/01/2026 09:10

Allthecoloursoftherainbow4 · 07/01/2026 08:53

Lots of evidence that people use at tribunals is self reported. Eg they may have visited their doctor and self reported to the doctor that they are really struggling dressing and need help to do so every day. The doctor will then record that and it becomes a piece of 'evidence'

This is the biggest issue around the whole system. When the numbers of claimants are so vast you have to rely on people's self reported symptoms largely, and there's a lot of scope for people to exaggerate. Not lie necessarily, but claim that 6 days out of 7 they are struggling when maybe it's only 1-2 days out of 7.

The difference is a successful claim versus an unsuccessful one, as a lot of the criteria are around how frequently your disability is affecting you as this gives a sense of its impact on your life.

Look at all the threads on here where people are advised to describe their worst day. What if that 'worst day' only happens once every 6 months, is that still a fair claim?

You can’t self report you are struggling to dress to your GP and have it submitted as evidence without any reason why you would be struggling though. That’s utter nonsense. I could go and tell my GP right now I can’t dress myself and I can’t make a meal but him saying said does not make it evidence, unless I am dating I cannot do it because am there is a medical reason for that. Self reporting doesn’t make evidence the way people seem to think it does

SiouxieSue · 07/01/2026 09:10

ExpectZeroContext · 07/01/2026 08:57

Expose them.
Those who abuse the system need to be punished and humiliated publicly.

Hello, is that North Korea calling?

SiouxieSue · 07/01/2026 09:10

ExpectZeroContext · 07/01/2026 08:57

Expose them.
Those who abuse the system need to be punished and humiliated publicly.

Hello, is that North Korea calling?

ChateauProvence · 07/01/2026 09:08

Mind your own business - who the fuck would do this to a family member? You sound vile

Hammy19 · 07/01/2026 09:08

Dragonsfoot · 06/01/2026 23:16

I have a relative that does have health problems. They went to tribunal and were awarded higher rate PIP and have a motorbility car apparently supported by a Rottweiler of an advocate. I have no gripe that they deserve something - occasional falls, mild mental health problems, physical health problems that require monitoring and support and mild difficulties dressing themselves due to joint problems but don’t actually need to be helped. They do have a disability.

However, they are able to walk miles most of the time, decorate their home, complete domestic tasks and attend social activities on a very regular basis on foot. Morally torn. They probably will struggle without the money. Would DWP even do anything kind of thing. Either way I feel a bad person.

I'm usually the first to call out for reporting benefit fraud but the way you have described this person, sounds like me.

I have a physical health condition but to most people, I probably seem like I'm doing just fine. because I want to portray that image. I travel on foot, decorate etc etc but because I HAVE to

What people don't see, however, is me sobbing in pain, is me on the days when I don't leave the house because I literally cannot walk, is me frustrated because a task really needs doing and I am unable, me feeling like shit because I'm having to ask for yet another favour from my family, me not wanting to try dating again because I feel like such a burden on people

They don't see me sleeping on the sofa when I can barely walk because I'm scared that if there was an emergency in the night, I wouldn't be able to safely get out of the house

They don't see me depressed and hating myself, for something that is completely out of my control

They don't see the times when I'm struggling physically and my entire kitchen side is covered in washing up, when the bin is overflowing, when the floors are filthy, when there's no clean clothes for me to wear. They don't have to live in this mess and hate every second but be unable to do anything about it

They don't see how much I spend on medication, pain relief 'gimmicks' because I'm desperate, additional gas/electric for baths, extra laundry costs and sanitary products because some days I can wet myself multiple times as I can't physically move quick enough to get me to the toilet, on pre-prepared food because I can't manage to stand to cook, taxis when I have gone somewhere and can't propel myself back, additional treatments which probably sound like pampering but when you can't bend your ankles or cut your own nails because your toes are solidly curled under your feet then massage and pedicures become essential

I won't get a promotion at work because I can't be physically present in the office

LadyKenya · 07/01/2026 09:08

mydogisthebest · 07/01/2026 08:54

I very much doubt anything would come of you reporting. I have reported my neighbour numerous times who supposedly has such bad anxiety and panic attacks that he cannot leave his house so therefore cannot work.

He in fact leaves his house every single day. He goes shopping most days, he walks his dogs, he visits his girlfriend, he sees his son. Oh and he also works most days cash in hand.

He has been getting away with this for over 3 years.

Or maybe he has been investigated, and found to be doing nothing wrong, just a thought. Either way, your repeated attempts to disrupt his life is not working, so just leave him be.

Thirdchildjoy · 07/01/2026 09:07

BunnyLake · 07/01/2026 09:03

Public stocks on the village green. Bring your own rotten veg?

Some posters would definitely have preferred to have live in the middle ages.

SiouxieSue · 07/01/2026 09:06

Dragonsfoot · 06/01/2026 23:19

Haven’t a clue. They do have health problems as I say, just the award doesn’t feel proportionate to the problems they encounter.

Have you suddenly become a guardian of the public purse strings?

It’s none of your business.

My brother in law, on the face of it, would seem to ‘manage’, yet had MS and he had good days and TERRIBLE days. Trust me, PIP doesn’t pay out loads despite what you might read in the Daily Maul.

Thirdchildjoy · 07/01/2026 09:05

ForWittyTealOP · 07/01/2026 09:00

Why?

Because they are disabled obviously that is the point.

ForWittyTealOP · 07/01/2026 09:04

BunnyLake · 07/01/2026 09:03

Public stocks on the village green. Bring your own rotten veg?

You do wonder don't you?

Thirdchildjoy · 07/01/2026 09:03

ExpectZeroContext · 07/01/2026 08:57

Expose them.
Those who abuse the system need to be punished and humiliated publicly.

You believe disabled people should be humiliated in public. How horrible. What would you do make them wear a badge? Tattoo their heads? Make them sit in stocks so that abled people can throw eggs at them? People with your attitude make me sick.

BunnyLake · 07/01/2026 09:03

ForWittyTealOP · 07/01/2026 09:00

How do you envisage this humiliation looking?

Public stocks on the village green. Bring your own rotten veg?

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