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ND girl who doesn't fit in

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January2026 · 06/01/2026 10:47

Sorry, long post.

DD (8) is ND, undiagnosed, but we and the school know she has some communication and social struggles. She is a tall and beautiful girl but she's very innocent, very literal and young in her thinking and behaviour. She's in a mainstream prep school (moved her from state as the large class and bad behaviour didn't suit her).

She's a bright girl, doing very well academically and super well behaved and kind at school. She's social and very hyper and lively outside the formal settings.

However, she never gets invited to any playdates or birthday parties, outside the class parties which aren't many. She is desperate for friends, life would be easier is she wasn't. She has played over the years with girls from her class and I have reached some of the parents for playdates but we got refused.

About 2 months ago I was talking to a few mums at a party, they have ND girls but who also have learning difficulties. They were very candid about their girls struggles and were telling me how kind my DD was and, because DD was sharing a desk with one of these girls at the time, she said how nice it was for DD to help her DD at different subjects without being snappy or 'nasty' (I think she had a bad experience with other girls before). And how nice it was to sit next to someone clever and quiet. DD also played with these girls a lot. Yet, a month later two of these girls had birthday parties with half the class going, DD wasn't invited. I felt really hurt. One day at collection, one of these girls walked out holding DD's hand and asked her mum if she can have a playdate with DD, to which the mum said 'not today darling' and that was it. I reached out to the mum to ask if her DD wants to come over for a playdate, she refused and never initiated one.

Then there are NT girls who just don't really connect with DD, they play sometimes but I think DD struggles to keep up with them. Again no playdates or party invitations. DD is starting to realise she is different but doesn't really know why. She mostly plays with younger girls now.

I feel like there arent many girls like DD in her school, they either have more complex ND with learning difficulties and/or bad behaviour or they are NT, super confident and clever socially, whether they are academic or not.

I'm heart-broken for DD. We tried connecting with other ND children outside school but DD always got bossed, pushed/hit or raged at, as they had more severe SEN, some were home schoolled. I had to stop meeting these children as it wasn't doing her any favours.

Can anyone relate to this? Where can I find kids who are just like DD? I'm sure there are thousands of girls and boys like DD but we don't seem to meet them where we are.

DD did meet a boy in Spain a few months ago, he was English and they met on the beach. They were the same age, were like twins in behaviour and looks and were wearing same coloured t-shirts, quite spooky. They played for hours (I talked to his mum and I suspect he's ND) and I was thinking what if she had a friend like that at home. (They live sadly in the North of England and we live in the South and it was just a holiday thing). Don't know why it's so difficult in England 😞.

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EuclidianGeometryFan · 06/01/2026 11:48

As @Falalalalaaaalalalalaaaa said, go for a very big comprehensive for secondary school, one with lots and lots of extra-curriculars and outstanding pastoral support (look up the Ofsted reports).

It is counter-intuitive, but in a large school she has more chance of finding her 'tribe', simply because of the numbers of children. There will be enough children to support a big variety of clubs at lunchtime or after school, e.g. chess club, art club, computer club, whatever her interests are.

Meanwhile, look for mixed-sex activities to enrol her in.

Freesiapleaser · 06/01/2026 11:44

Mines the same.
It was actually worse at prep than it is state school now. But both schools are perhaps too small!!
It's heartbreaking isn't it. We are in Gloucestershire. Doesn't sound like you are near but if you are happy to meet up!! Nice to hear we arnt alone! Maybe all these amazing girls across the country will find each other as adults! X

January2026 · 06/01/2026 11:31

Blasterplaster · 06/01/2026 11:22

This sounds very much like my child. Is your daughter girly? Mine struggled to connect with the girly girls as she couldn’t understand their social strategies etc, and was a victim of the bitchy girls because if this. Sporty girls and playing with the boys were her solace. Is she sporty? If so this could be a big area of refuge for her. Sporty girls are much more down to earth, esp in mixed sex sports. Scouts not brownies.

Private school was also a godsend. So many more ND children, those that like playing by the rules, behaving and studying hard are valued highly, which sounds like your daughter. Private schools can clamp down on classroom disruption in a way state can’t. I’d recommend mixed sex school though, not a girls school.

Thank you.

She isn't very girly but I don't think she is very sporty either, she's very capable at sport but not really interested in team games. She likes athletics for instance where you do your own thing.

She adores her school, she's got a very good relationship with her teachers so it was a good thing sending her to a prep school. It's just the girl socials that are getting us all down.

In term of friendships with boys, she only likes boys who aren't too boisterous. She used to have a class friends at her state school who was super bright and well behaved (I suspect he was ND too) but they left the country. She wasn't keen on most of the boys in her class.

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Blasterplaster · 06/01/2026 11:22

This sounds very much like my child. Is your daughter girly? Mine struggled to connect with the girly girls as she couldn’t understand their social strategies etc, and was a victim of the bitchy girls because if this. Sporty girls and playing with the boys were her solace. Is she sporty? If so this could be a big area of refuge for her. Sporty girls are much more down to earth, esp in mixed sex sports. Scouts not brownies.

Private school was also a godsend. So many more ND children, those that like playing by the rules, behaving and studying hard are valued highly, which sounds like your daughter. Private schools can clamp down on classroom disruption in a way state can’t. I’d recommend mixed sex school though, not a girls school.

January2026 · 06/01/2026 11:14

Octavia64 · 06/01/2026 11:11

I have a child with AuDHD who was at a prep.

even if the mums like you and your child at this age who goes to the parties is chosen by the child themselves. My DD didn’t get many invites.

we did parties for her. Also organised a lot of out of school activities that were not necessarily about socialising per se but did build up social skills - eg children’s choir on a Saturday, we did brownies (guides was less successful). She loved riding and the stables where we rode did horse care days and a summer week of horsey stuff which went down very well and again she got to know some of the other kids around the stables pretty well.

are you asking for play dates literally on the day as your DD walks out of school?

I would have had to say no to most “on the day” requests because we needed to go to swimming/brownies/whatever.

doing a more general request “Jane would like to have a play date could we talk about when is good?” Is more likely to be successful but also if parents don’t come back you do need to leave it.

Thank you. No, never on the day.

It was the girl who asked her mum if she can have a playdate with DD sometimes, to which the mum replied 'not today'.

I usually ask a week in advance as I know we are all busy.

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Octavia64 · 06/01/2026 11:11

I have a child with AuDHD who was at a prep.

even if the mums like you and your child at this age who goes to the parties is chosen by the child themselves. My DD didn’t get many invites.

we did parties for her. Also organised a lot of out of school activities that were not necessarily about socialising per se but did build up social skills - eg children’s choir on a Saturday, we did brownies (guides was less successful). She loved riding and the stables where we rode did horse care days and a summer week of horsey stuff which went down very well and again she got to know some of the other kids around the stables pretty well.

are you asking for play dates literally on the day as your DD walks out of school?

I would have had to say no to most “on the day” requests because we needed to go to swimming/brownies/whatever.

doing a more general request “Jane would like to have a play date could we talk about when is good?” Is more likely to be successful but also if parents don’t come back you do need to leave it.

January2026 · 06/01/2026 11:10

Falalalalaaaalalalalaaaa · 06/01/2026 11:04

Just keep going unless she’s really against it. Don’t worry about the lack of reciprocity - especially around Christmas, people have a lot on. I would do another play date end of January with the same girls. It’s fine for you to keep hosting! Eventually if the friendship sticks then you’ll get invitations back. And at least your dd has the fun of people playing with her

Thank you for this. We did enjoy having the girls here, they were lovely and I don't mind hosting. So maybe we'll arrange something again soon.

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January2026 · 06/01/2026 11:09

Falalalalaaaalalalalaaaa · 06/01/2026 11:02

This does sound heartbreaking, I feel for you. She’s really never had a friend? Have you spoken to the class teacher regularly about her friendship issues?

I would not worry about play dates for now - look for structured sociable groups like Brownies or a climbing club or an art class, something where she can chat and partner up so she can practice her social skills and gain friends outside school. Add in some extras like martial arts (we found a very relaxed class for dd1 age 16 and she has been going for 8 years, a big group of friends have stuck it out with her and she now has friends aged 12 through 19 which has been really nice for her).

I would also be heading out of private sector for secondary school and look for a really large comprehensive with a huge extra curricular programme and plenty of pastoral support. I don’t think the pressure and hot housing of the independent school will help. Her academic ability will carry her through - she needs to be amongst regular real people, I suspect.

She has had friends over the years but one of them ended up bullying her severely, school had to get involved. That knocked her confidence a bit.

She has one friend outside school but they don't meet very often, she doesnt live here. She made a friend in the summer at summer camp but after a few playdates she's gone off DD, maybe she finds her too hyper, don't know. But that's over.

She had a few ND friends a while ago who ended up being horrible to her (I'm talking lashing out, screaming, saying things like 'do as you are told, or I'll stop being your friend'). DD is very naive and happy to follow other children's lead and so she ends up being mistreated.

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Falalalalaaaalalalalaaaa · 06/01/2026 11:04

January2026 · 06/01/2026 11:01

Thank you for your replies.

She just joined Brownies but don't think enjoys it very much, probably too girlie for her. She has played with 2 girls here and I organised a small Christmas party to which I.invited them and they were all playing really nicely, the girls were a pleasure to host. But we got nothing back after the party, the parents didn't seem very friendly or interested, I don't think it's the girls in this case.

Just keep going unless she’s really against it. Don’t worry about the lack of reciprocity - especially around Christmas, people have a lot on. I would do another play date end of January with the same girls. It’s fine for you to keep hosting! Eventually if the friendship sticks then you’ll get invitations back. And at least your dd has the fun of people playing with her

Falalalalaaaalalalalaaaa · 06/01/2026 11:02

This does sound heartbreaking, I feel for you. She’s really never had a friend? Have you spoken to the class teacher regularly about her friendship issues?

I would not worry about play dates for now - look for structured sociable groups like Brownies or a climbing club or an art class, something where she can chat and partner up so she can practice her social skills and gain friends outside school. Add in some extras like martial arts (we found a very relaxed class for dd1 age 16 and she has been going for 8 years, a big group of friends have stuck it out with her and she now has friends aged 12 through 19 which has been really nice for her).

I would also be heading out of private sector for secondary school and look for a really large comprehensive with a huge extra curricular programme and plenty of pastoral support. I don’t think the pressure and hot housing of the independent school will help. Her academic ability will carry her through - she needs to be amongst regular real people, I suspect.

January2026 · 06/01/2026 11:01

Thank you for your replies.

She just joined Brownies but don't think enjoys it very much, probably too girlie for her. She has played with 2 girls here and I organised a small Christmas party to which I.invited them and they were all playing really nicely, the girls were a pleasure to host. But we got nothing back after the party, the parents didn't seem very friendly or interested, I don't think it's the girls in this case.

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Ihaveoflate · 06/01/2026 10:55

I agree with the pp about mixed sex groups. My suspected ND girl plays almost exclusively with boys and enjoys Beavers (despite being the only girl). She tends to find social interactions with girls much trickier.

Does your DD have interests outside school she could pursue that might attract a broader range of children?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 06/01/2026 10:53

PermanentTemporary · 06/01/2026 10:51

Bumping for you.

My niece who is autistic, my friends daughter who is autistic and has ADHD were really only friends with boys for a very long time, in fact honestly speaking I would say that’s still the case and they’re both well into adulthood. If you don’t want to move schools, what about Scouts or Woodcraft Folk for more mixed sex friendships?

This.

Mine played with boys until 9 or 10

PermanentTemporary · 06/01/2026 10:51

Bumping for you.

My niece who is autistic, my friends daughter who is autistic and has ADHD were really only friends with boys for a very long time, in fact honestly speaking I would say that’s still the case and they’re both well into adulthood. If you don’t want to move schools, what about Scouts or Woodcraft Folk for more mixed sex friendships?

grinchmcgrinchface · 06/01/2026 10:49

Join some SEN clubs around you, plenty of places do them or even do soft play Sen sessions.