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What’s with all the hate for SAHM

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Howarewealldoing · 05/01/2026 17:01

Following on from a post yesterday( who did work) but everyone assumed they didn’t. If they don’t sign on ,I don’t understand all the negativity. Or why some people get so worked up about something that doesn’t affect them .

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Ithinkihatethislittlelife · 06/01/2026 14:04

Howarewealldoing · 06/01/2026 13:23

But then that has everything to do with your marriage and less to do with being a stay at home parent. Your husband money is your money you are married. So you are being financially abused and should get support.

You are missing the point.

Yes. It all goes into a joint account. But I can’t just do with it as I please as I could if I earned my own wage and there were two lots of money coming in.

If one person stays at home, it’s never equal. And I say that as someone who’s husband does more than his fair share of household responsibilities and things for the children.

I wish I had lived my life differently. My children have been no better off having me at home. In fact, if I had my own life and was happier, I would have been a better mother.

FellowSuffereroftheAbsurd · 06/01/2026 14:00

Mothers get ire no matter what we do. I find it tends to lessen as kids get older, though there are some intense debates on adult children around here.

We're also in a culture that for decades has progressively made success, ambition, 'living our best life' and so on only something we do through paid work, even though we're also a culture and society that relies on people volunteering even within employment for things to function & most people's ideas of enjoying life is often what we do outside of work/what the work is paying for.

I've been SAHP and WOHP, as has my husband. We've both had ire in different ways, his to a lesser extent and largely around what I should be doing though he's had the weirder shite while being a SAHP like mothers using him as a threat to get their kids to behave. I don't think it has to do with jealousy in most cases - I think quite a bit of it is disagreement that is being interpreted as hate and that culturally, many things have become 'sides' or 'camps' to either defend or attack that can be hard to disengage from.

For example, it' very common to discuss the risks of being a SAHP. It's not an assumption that it's risky to financially depend on another, it's just a fact that there are certain risks there and that SAHP have a different risk assessment to consider compared to parents who are in paid employment. Both have risks, different risks depending on the situation, and risks that can change - and rather than discuss both, it tends to devolve into dismissing the risks entirely. That doesn't help anything.

They don't want to do the work we need doing. They don't want to move to where the jobs are....We have loads of areas where we need workers

I agree we have loads of areas that has work that needs doing and in desperate need of more skilled workers - but are those areas actually able and willing to hire British young people?

Engineering and cyber security notoriously are training a glut, but as you mentioned, companies tend to recruit abroad. It's not because there aren't young people here for those jobs, we have companies making a ton training loads of them. It's because it's cheaper - and less protection - to hire abroad for those jobs that aren't location dependent or don't need to be in the UK. We literally have British companies that will pay young people to train as deckies and marine engineers, but many in the field has been shouting for years about issues with the conditions, the fire and rehire practices, and that attempts to legally protect them means Western Europeans including Brits aren't being hired, most young people doing these cadetships advertised as being paid to get qualified go onto ships with no other Brits, doing 6-12+ weeks of 12 hours every day, for maybe £800 a month and a promise of a job at the end that most never see because companies are only doing the cadetships for the cheaper labour and to pretend they're doing something altruistic to get the funding the UK government gives for this, while they get most of their labour elsewhere with fewer protections.

Childcare - I know young people trained in SEN childcare and SEN TAs, areas that have had severe shortages for years, but where is the funding? It's largely going to use these young people as cheap apprentices and then have them stuck on the books of multiple agencies on the hollow promise that maybe one day they can get a permanent position or they move onto other work. Some into delivery drivers since that's largely easy to get into gig work.

I don't think many young people can afford to move without work in the ways many of us did in the past, unless they know someone they can crash with in the mean time, but I know more than a few that have tried, moved for these schemes to train and put young people into trades and more that chews them up with the training funding they get and no job or job support at the end.

Blaming young people for that, claiming the higher unemployment rate for young people is down to them not wanting to do the work needs doing, is bullshit. Some, sure, but we've plenty of young people who've been sold promise after promise that if they work hard, if they go into these shortage fields, if they move to areas with more shortages, if they take the short term pain, they'll get the long term gain and it has failed many of them. The only ones gaining are the corporations using the young adults and the government who keeps putting the blame on young people while ignoring their role in the cause.

Needmorelego · 06/01/2026 13:44

PollyPlumPeach · 06/01/2026 13:36

If your kids are teen-agers, you're not a SAHD. You're just unemployed

Technically if he isn't claiming any unemployment related benefits then on any official stats/paperwork/whatever then he isn't "unemployed" - just "not working".

PollyPlumPeach · 06/01/2026 13:36

Putneydad7 · 05/01/2026 18:42

I'm a SAHD and my wife has a big job in the city. I used to have similar job to my wife, but her trajectory was better. I hated my work and was happy to give it up. But my teenage kids are very rude about my life choice and say I just watch TV all day, which of course I don't (because I've finished Netflix JK).
However I do feel a bit of a failure despite my wife saying I have the "life of Reilly" going to the gym, playing tennis, etc.
So it isn't all a bed of roses.
Oh and if say there was a law that there had to be a SAH person in every relationship, housing would cost half as much and we wouldn't both need to work FT, but therein communism lies.

If your kids are teen-agers, you're not a SAHD. You're just unemployed

FancyCatSlave · 06/01/2026 13:33

Dollyfloss · 06/01/2026 12:33

Obviously none of the women you came across were financially independent or in secure situations - otherwise they wouldn’t have needed a refuge.

You are basing your assumptions of sahm being in abusive, financially dependent relationships from your own small sphere. You probably wouldn’t come across the sahm’s who don’t have these worries bc they’re all happily (or unhappily!) living their lives, and not in need of a women’s shelter.

I do agree that if women (or men) decide not to work long term they should ensure they’d be ok if they split from the dh or he died.

Not all relationships are abusive no. But not all relationships last either and abusive relationships can start at any time. It isn’t necessarily extensive, it can be very subtle and just enough to keep a woman from entering employment or progressing in their career, or having friendships or hobbies or any reach that might “give them ideas”.

But I don’t understand why anyone would actively choose to put themselves in a vulnerable situation. Roughly one in four marriages fail and where one party is financially dependent that’s an awful lot of risk - that’s disregarding the women that aren’t even protected by marriage. Hundreds and hundreds of posts on here every year. They all think it won’t happen to them, and then it does.

I was raised to have ambition and to expect equality in relationships- that’s what I am passing on to my daughter. Women should never be subservient to men. Men do not come
first, their careers shouldn’t come first, they are not worth more, outside of infancy they do not need to be the primary caregiver. Fathers should be expected to take equal care of their children.

The refuge example was just an add on to my previous post. I know many people that are in unhappy relationships that they are trapped in due to financial dependency (as least they perceive that they are). There is absolutely nothing desirable about that.

I’ll carry on with my career in widening participation in HE and women in STEM - we make a difference but it is only a drop in the ocean whilst society still peddles the misogynistic twaddle that so many fall for. Especially in the city I work in which is Asian majority - the things I see there are heartbreaking but it’s evident in all demographics.

I’m just not buying it that being a long term SAHM is in anyones best interest unless you have genuinely independent means. Not everyone needs a career but it shouldn’t be the default that mothers sacrifice theirs. It’s equally true for men or for same sex couples obviously. But the pool is much smaller.

JHound · 06/01/2026 13:25

I only see it in spaces with misogynist men or very feminist women, ironically.

Unless they are living off the taxpayer I don’t get the vitriol.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/01/2026 13:24

Howarewealldoing · 06/01/2026 13:17

you come across patronising clearly miss interpreting my post . As I didn’t say all people work because they have to . Which clearly indicates some people work because they like to .

Your posts are a clear as day. There is nothing to misinterpret.

I just felt it was a touch patronising to respond to a woman who had explained very clearly that she she wished she had made time to develop a career by suggesting she get a hobby!

Howarewealldoing · 06/01/2026 13:23

Ithinkihatethislittlelife · 06/01/2026 13:06

I have no money of my own.

I have zero independence.

My husband isn’t financially abusive but it’s not my money. I can’t just book a solo holiday.

If he was to beat me up tonight, I couldn’t just walk out of the door.

It’s not about work. It’s about money and independence.

But then that has everything to do with your marriage and less to do with being a stay at home parent. Your husband money is your money you are married. So you are being financially abused and should get support.

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Howarewealldoing · 06/01/2026 13:17

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/01/2026 13:12

I never suggested you said everyone feels a certain way.
I said I felt that your post was patronising and I offered an alternative view to the role of purpose of work. I presume we're allowed to have a positive view of work and careers?

you come across patronising clearly miss interpreting my post . As I didn’t say all people work because they have to . Which clearly indicates some people work because they like to .

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littleorangefox · 06/01/2026 13:15

FortnumsWeddingBreakfastTeaPlease · 05/01/2026 17:59

I don't think it's jealousy.

I think if people come out with stupid comments, it naturally attracts the "Jesus, shut up" snappy responses.

Having been a SAHM for 8yrs and WOHM for more, both have their pros and cons.

SAHM who claim they are working soooo hard, when their kids are in FTE come across as a bit ridiculous sanctimonious. Being a SAHM and actually doing childcare all day, can feel relentless though, and returning to work can feel like a welcome break.

I didn't work with eldest, when he was at school and my days were only busy because I filled them with things of my choice. Really nothing like doing contractual paid work. The "oh but I do all the housework" brigade get an eye roll, because the working parents do all that as well as full time work, so it's quite lame to justify that's why you don't have a job. Just say you don't work, because you're doing little different to a non parent who also didn't have a job.

I was SAHM with DTwins, and was their sole "childcare" for 2yrs until they started nursery. That was through COVID with DH never home due to key worker. And that damn near killed me.

I will likely stop working when we get our next house, and that's exactly what I am doing, stopping work, not staying at home to be a "mum" because all DC will be at school for the equivalent entire working day. If I then started bleating on about my difficult days as a SAHM, I'd naturally get ODFOD responses. And that's not born from jealousy.

SAHM with twins born just before Covid lockdown as well. Solidarity 😂

Then I had 2 more (yes my choice before anyone comments). And spent various times with either all 3 young kids (and pregnant) or all 4 at home with me all day every day due to no childcare (we moved areas) which was extremely hard. Currently have 2 at school and 2 part time nursery. Have to admit the days with 1 or 2 aren't that difficult depending on their moods and what I have to get done that day! And the 2 days a week I have no kids now are a blessing. I personally have some health issues that I'm working through so it is a very very welcome break right now!

I do agree that SAHM (or Dads) of kids who are all in full time school or nursery don't really have it that hard during term time tbh.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/01/2026 13:12

Howarewealldoing · 06/01/2026 12:50

And if you read my first post you quoted . You would see I said most people not nice when people jump to assumptions is it

I never suggested you said everyone feels a certain way.
I said I felt that your post was patronising and I offered an alternative view to the role of purpose of work. I presume we're allowed to have a positive view of work and careers?

Ithinkihatethislittlelife · 06/01/2026 13:06

Howarewealldoing · 06/01/2026 12:32

Do you think you could be putting to much on work , would you not achieved all the above by having meaning full hobbies. I don’t think life revolves around work and it’s not a personality trait . It’s just something most people have todo

I have no money of my own.

I have zero independence.

My husband isn’t financially abusive but it’s not my money. I can’t just book a solo holiday.

If he was to beat me up tonight, I couldn’t just walk out of the door.

It’s not about work. It’s about money and independence.

Howarewealldoing · 06/01/2026 12:50

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/01/2026 12:47

What assumptions have I made?
If you read my post properly you will see that I said ‘for some people’. I’m not suggesting every single person feels like this, I’m simply saying some do and that’s okay.
In my line of work it’s normal for it to be a part of your identity and personality. It’s not just something we have to do, it’s something we choose to do. That doesn’t mean i’m dismissive of those people who feel differently and only work because they have to.

You completely dismissed a poster who had explained in some detail that, in hindsight, she wished she’d studied and developed a career for herself. Why?

And if you read my first post you quoted . You would see I said most people not nice when people jump to assumptions is it

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HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/01/2026 12:47

Howarewealldoing · 06/01/2026 12:38

And for many people it’s something people have to do to survive. It’s very patronising of you to assume otherwise

What assumptions have I made?
If you read my post properly you will see that I said ‘for some people’. I’m not suggesting every single person feels like this, I’m simply saying some do and that’s okay.
In my line of work it’s normal for it to be a part of your identity and personality. It’s not just something we have to do, it’s something we choose to do. That doesn’t mean i’m dismissive of those people who feel differently and only work because they have to.

You completely dismissed a poster who had explained in some detail that, in hindsight, she wished she’d studied and developed a career for herself. Why?

Howarewealldoing · 06/01/2026 12:38

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/01/2026 12:34

This is a really patronising response.
For some people work is meaningful and a part of their identity. And that’s okay.
Not everyone views work negatively, for many it’s a positive and rewarding part of their lives.

And for many people it’s something people have to do to survive. It’s very patronising of you to assume otherwise

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Dollyfloss · 06/01/2026 12:34

Howarewealldoing · 06/01/2026 12:32

Do you think you could be putting to much on work , would you not achieved all the above by having meaning full hobbies. I don’t think life revolves around work and it’s not a personality trait . It’s just something most people have todo

It sounds like that poster has issues going on that aren’t related to being a sahm :-(

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/01/2026 12:34

Howarewealldoing · 06/01/2026 12:32

Do you think you could be putting to much on work , would you not achieved all the above by having meaning full hobbies. I don’t think life revolves around work and it’s not a personality trait . It’s just something most people have todo

This is a really patronising response.
For some people work is meaningful and a part of their identity. And that’s okay.
Not everyone views work negatively, for many it’s a positive and rewarding part of their lives.

Dollyfloss · 06/01/2026 12:33

FancyCatSlave · 06/01/2026 12:27

I volunteered at a refuge some years back, we were not overun with financially independent women. Almost all the women that needed help had absolutely nothing in their own names. Occasionally someone would arrive as an emergency for safety but if they had means they very quickly moved on. The overwhelming majority had no independent income, no savings, no career, no housing.

Financial dependency goes hand in hand with abuse.

There are so many live threads on here from women trapped in dysfunctional relationships because they have no means to leave and also no belief that they can change their life.

It all sounds marvellous to be a SAH parent until it isn’t. Short term career breaks or extended mat leaves are one thing, I had a good friend who took time out with her twins until the funded hours kicked in (it was age 3 then) but it was never her long term strategy and she went back to her career then. I reduced to 4 days when DD was small as I wanted to, but crucially for me I still out earned my ex. I am back to full time now she is at school.

Obviously none of the women you came across were financially independent or in secure situations - otherwise they wouldn’t have needed a refuge.

You are basing your assumptions of sahm being in abusive, financially dependent relationships from your own small sphere. You probably wouldn’t come across the sahm’s who don’t have these worries bc they’re all happily (or unhappily!) living their lives, and not in need of a women’s shelter.

I do agree that if women (or men) decide not to work long term they should ensure they’d be ok if they split from the dh or he died.

Parker231 · 06/01/2026 12:33

ThisTicklishFatball · 06/01/2026 12:02

It feels like stay-at-home mothers have attracted a lot of negativity on Mumsnet for years, and lately it’s been particularly sharp. People often frame it as women “not supporting other women”, but I think it’s more uncomfortable than that — most of us feel uneasy when someone makes a life choice that doesn’t resemble our own. Right now, SAHMs seem to be the lightning rod for that discomfort.

There’s also a strange double standard at play. We tell women that unpaid labour has “no value”, then act shocked when no one wants or is able to do it.

SAHMs aren’t idle. They’re providing full-time childcare, domestic labour, emotional labour, and often the logistical glue that keeps a household functioning — work that would cost tens of thousands a year to outsource. The fact that it doesn’t appear on a payslip doesn’t make it worthless.

For many families, one parent stepping back isn’t a lifestyle statement or a lack of ambition. It’s a pragmatic decision shaped by childcare costs, inflexible jobs, children’s needs, or sheer economics.

We should be able to support women who work full-time and respect women who stay home. Pitting mothers against each other only props up a system that consistently undervalues care in every form.

Choosing to raise your own children isn’t laziness. It’s labour society depends on — and conveniently refuses to price properly.

I'm a SAHM with a high-earning husband, and some people who can't think through the best scenarios tend to jump to the worst ones, making harsh judgments about me and my husband. I’ve always been someone who plans ahead, coming up with Plan A, Plan B, Plan C, and so on for anything I wanted to achieve. During my years in a high-earning career, I built up passive income that now supports the life I envisioned.

As a full time working parent, I raised my DC’s - it’s not something just done by SAHM’s.

Howarewealldoing · 06/01/2026 12:32

Ithinkihatethislittlelife · 06/01/2026 09:31

I’ve been a SAHM for the last 23 years. Since I was 22 years old. (My children are 23, 11 and 5).

If I could live my life again, I would have had my own life. I would have studied and worked. I didn’t leave a job, I was just doing crappy temp work, I had no career.

I thought I was winning at life. I got to stay at home with my child while others were slogging away at uni or work.

Now, I’m 46 and fucking miserable. My oldest child has been no better off because I’ve stood in the kitchen all day. My children are no different, socially or emotionally from those who went to nursery 8-6 from 6 months old while thier mothers had thier own lives and careers. Infact, I’ve noticed that mothers who worked had far more respect from their children.

I have nothing of my own. Even the clothes on my back have been bought for me. I have few actual choices in life or independence.

I wouldn’t recommend being a stay at home mum to anyone. It’s a trap.

(Ans please none of the “it’s not too late” stuff. You have no idea of my current health issues).

Do you think you could be putting to much on work , would you not achieved all the above by having meaning full hobbies. I don’t think life revolves around work and it’s not a personality trait . It’s just something most people have todo

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ShesTheAlbatross · 06/01/2026 12:28

ThisTicklishFatball · 06/01/2026 12:02

It feels like stay-at-home mothers have attracted a lot of negativity on Mumsnet for years, and lately it’s been particularly sharp. People often frame it as women “not supporting other women”, but I think it’s more uncomfortable than that — most of us feel uneasy when someone makes a life choice that doesn’t resemble our own. Right now, SAHMs seem to be the lightning rod for that discomfort.

There’s also a strange double standard at play. We tell women that unpaid labour has “no value”, then act shocked when no one wants or is able to do it.

SAHMs aren’t idle. They’re providing full-time childcare, domestic labour, emotional labour, and often the logistical glue that keeps a household functioning — work that would cost tens of thousands a year to outsource. The fact that it doesn’t appear on a payslip doesn’t make it worthless.

For many families, one parent stepping back isn’t a lifestyle statement or a lack of ambition. It’s a pragmatic decision shaped by childcare costs, inflexible jobs, children’s needs, or sheer economics.

We should be able to support women who work full-time and respect women who stay home. Pitting mothers against each other only props up a system that consistently undervalues care in every form.

Choosing to raise your own children isn’t laziness. It’s labour society depends on — and conveniently refuses to price properly.

I'm a SAHM with a high-earning husband, and some people who can't think through the best scenarios tend to jump to the worst ones, making harsh judgments about me and my husband. I’ve always been someone who plans ahead, coming up with Plan A, Plan B, Plan C, and so on for anything I wanted to achieve. During my years in a high-earning career, I built up passive income that now supports the life I envisioned.

I agree with your comment about not pitting women against each other. Shame you followed it immediately with a comment about how you chose to raise your own children. Who are you implying is raising the children of women who work out of the home?

FancyCatSlave · 06/01/2026 12:27

I volunteered at a refuge some years back, we were not overun with financially independent women. Almost all the women that needed help had absolutely nothing in their own names. Occasionally someone would arrive as an emergency for safety but if they had means they very quickly moved on. The overwhelming majority had no independent income, no savings, no career, no housing.

Financial dependency goes hand in hand with abuse.

There are so many live threads on here from women trapped in dysfunctional relationships because they have no means to leave and also no belief that they can change their life.

It all sounds marvellous to be a SAH parent until it isn’t. Short term career breaks or extended mat leaves are one thing, I had a good friend who took time out with her twins until the funded hours kicked in (it was age 3 then) but it was never her long term strategy and she went back to her career then. I reduced to 4 days when DD was small as I wanted to, but crucially for me I still out earned my ex. I am back to full time now she is at school.

Besttobe8001 · 06/01/2026 12:23

Cablety · 06/01/2026 12:20

I don't work, hell I don't even have kids and before anyone says anything my financial situation is my own private business.

I think a lot of people, women especially are exhausted they work fulltime, have caring responsibilities which equate to another fulltime job, they have a home to run and themselves to look after. I get why posting about not working might press a few buttons. Women often get the shitty end of the stick and I don't know what the answer is.

Agreed, the thread yesterday was boastful, some might say goady. I can understand why people would read it and bristle.

Cablety · 06/01/2026 12:20

I don't work, hell I don't even have kids and before anyone says anything my financial situation is my own private business.

I think a lot of people, women especially are exhausted they work fulltime, have caring responsibilities which equate to another fulltime job, they have a home to run and themselves to look after. I get why posting about not working might press a few buttons. Women often get the shitty end of the stick and I don't know what the answer is.

ThisTicklishFatball · 06/01/2026 12:14

The topic of all the hate toward SAHMs around here always ignites a fire of words in me. I can't stand people who act superior, rushing to judge and condemn without ever thinking beyond their own prejudice.

I also think the harshness comes from a very narrow idea of what “working” looks like. There seems to be an assumption that if you’re a SAHM, you’re doing nothing else — which just isn’t true for a huge number of women.

Plenty of stay-at-home mothers do paid work alongside childcare: freelancing, bookkeeping, tutoring, online businesses, admin, creative work, family businesses, shift work around partners’ hours — often invisible because it doesn’t fit a 9–5 office model. It’s still work. It still brings in money. It just happens around children rather than instead of them.

There are many ways to contribute, many ways to work, and many ways to parent. Reducing it all to “paid job = virtue, everything else = failure” is both inaccurate and deeply unhelpful.

What’s frustrating is how quick posters are to be dismissive or outright harsh, as if there’s only one “acceptable” way to be a competent adult woman. That kind of tone doesn’t challenge patriarchy or inequality — it just polices other women’s choices.