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Asked to give up my seat on bus

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Motnight · 05/01/2026 16:36

On a packed London bus. A pregnant young woman has asked for my seat (only know that she is pregnant from her badge).I've said no, can she ask one of the younger more able bodied people sitting opposite or behind me? There are at least 4 people that are in their 20s / 30s and look physically fit sitting down.

She looked very shocked but just said ok. I am in my early 60s. I fell on ice a few days ago and am feeling a bit more wobbly than usual. Was I unreasonable?

OP posts:
Pinkissmart · 07/01/2026 18:14

God OP.
You could have at least explained.

DoubleHardBastard · 07/01/2026 17:37

eastegg · 07/01/2026 14:40

And I would bet my last penny with you. It was quite clear to me, applying common sense, that you meant that if she asked she’d find a younger more able bodied person, not that you were assuming that every single young person was able bodied. And anyway I don’t think it really matters if you were making assumptions. You were still ok to stay seated in the circs.

Apply that common sense then because you're not right now. OP was assuming every other young person was able bodied, she said so herself which I previously quoted for you but you've conveniently ignored that. Yes it does matter that OP made assumptions because she has come here annoyed that someone dared make assumptions about her and asked her to move.

As I said, OP is now unreasonable to say no but she is to assume everyone else is able bodied. She made assumptions as much as the person that asked her to move.

Maybe try some reading comprehension as well as applying common sense - although reading comprehension is seriously lacking on MN.

DoubleHardBastard · 07/01/2026 17:34

Motnight · 07/01/2026 13:42

I would bet my last penny that at least one of the seated younger passengers was more able bodied than me 🤣.

Thank you to everyone who has responded. Even the deleted posts! It's helped me realise that I was not unreasonable and that public transport can be really challenging for a lot of people for a lot of reasons.

Really? So you'd just assume they're all able bodied just because they're younger? Yet you have an issue with someone assuming you were fine to move? 🙄

pestowithwalnuts · 07/01/2026 16:49

Motnight · 05/01/2026 16:36

On a packed London bus. A pregnant young woman has asked for my seat (only know that she is pregnant from her badge).I've said no, can she ask one of the younger more able bodied people sitting opposite or behind me? There are at least 4 people that are in their 20s / 30s and look physically fit sitting down.

She looked very shocked but just said ok. I am in my early 60s. I fell on ice a few days ago and am feeling a bit more wobbly than usual. Was I unreasonable?

You were definitely nbu.
I wonder if she chose you because you are another woman..hoping for a bit of empathy.

eastegg · 07/01/2026 14:40

Motnight · 07/01/2026 13:42

I would bet my last penny that at least one of the seated younger passengers was more able bodied than me 🤣.

Thank you to everyone who has responded. Even the deleted posts! It's helped me realise that I was not unreasonable and that public transport can be really challenging for a lot of people for a lot of reasons.

And I would bet my last penny with you. It was quite clear to me, applying common sense, that you meant that if she asked she’d find a younger more able bodied person, not that you were assuming that every single young person was able bodied. And anyway I don’t think it really matters if you were making assumptions. You were still ok to stay seated in the circs.

Motnight · 07/01/2026 13:42

DoubleHardBastard · 07/01/2026 12:28

"and could she ask one of the younger more able bodied passengers"

That is an assumption from OP that the other "younger" people are more able bodied.

I would bet my last penny that at least one of the seated younger passengers was more able bodied than me 🤣.

Thank you to everyone who has responded. Even the deleted posts! It's helped me realise that I was not unreasonable and that public transport can be really challenging for a lot of people for a lot of reasons.

OP posts:
ParmaVioletTea · 07/01/2026 12:57

I guess that my thoughts are now that both I and the pregnant woman had a need to be sitting down. But her need didn't trump mine. I just happened to have a seat and she didn't. I honestly don't know why she asked me specifically and do wonder now if people are right and thought that I would be more likely to say yes.

I don't think that I owed it to her to make her not having a seat my responsibility by asking people to move on her behalf.

You did nothing wrong or unreasonable @Motnight

And, IMO, it reflects well on you that you were worried enough about the situation that you asked a group of women what they thought. You weren't entitled or arrogant, but concerned because the young woman did need a seat.

And I suspect you are of the generation who had it drilled into them to consider others on crowded buses & trains.

ParmaVioletTea · 07/01/2026 12:53

It used to be required in the 1950s and 1960s for children to give up their seat to an adult if they were paying half price for their ticket.

And I think @Anonymouseposter that the reason apparently fit & able younger people don't offer up seats nowadays is because they didn't have this drummed into them, and surveilled by the adults around them, including the bus driver & conductor.

It wasn't a bad thing: we were taught to be aware of those around us, and consider their needs, not just our own.

Even at 67, I still have the automatic reaction to offer my seat to someone who looks older or more infirm than me. @Motnight is only a few years younger, and I'd guess that she is second guessing herself (hence her OP) because of similar social training.

It's a pity her motives are treated by some with suspicion. I think had she not felt unstable, she would of course given up her seat - unlike any of the younger passengers around her who were clearly not considering the pregnant woman's needs.

Idontpostmuch · 07/01/2026 12:51

FryingPam · 06/01/2026 20:04

Being old is no illness either, are you going to ask a 95 year old lady to get up next time for someone on crutches because she’s just old?

Of course not, but 95 is old. Early 60s isn't.

Anonymouseposter · 07/01/2026 12:47

FerriswheelsKissesandLilacs · 05/01/2026 17:48

Why on earth should a child stand for an adult, unless that adult is infirm or pregnant?

If an adult would take a child's seat just because they are an adult then they are the selfish one.

It used to be required in the 1950s and 1960s for children to give up their seat to an adult if they were paying half price for their ticket. Some young healthy adults would say they were okay, thanks. In the scenario given by OP both passengers had need of a seat so OP wasn’t unreasonable to suggest asking someone else. The pregnant woman should really have asked someone younger but it’s very difficult just from looking at people to know if there’s a reason why they need a seat.

DoubleHardBastard · 07/01/2026 12:28

eastegg · 06/01/2026 22:46

You’d have a point if OP was assuming that. IMO she wasn’t. She suggested that the woman ask them. They would be free to decline if they had a hidden disability. All OP was assuming was that the woman would have a decent chance with them, which would be a fair assumption I think.

"and could she ask one of the younger more able bodied passengers"

That is an assumption from OP that the other "younger" people are more able bodied.

PhilOPastry62 · 07/01/2026 12:28

Motnight · 06/01/2026 22:04

Goodness so many responses.

Just to confirm that I don't consider myself old, but I am definitely well past middle age 😬. Not sure if there's a phrase for that!

I don't feel that I was rude.

I guess that my thoughts are now that both I and the pregnant woman had a need to be sitting down. But her need didn't trump mine. I just happened to have a seat and she didn't. I honestly don't know why she asked me specifically and do wonder now if people are right and thought that I would be more likely to say yes.

I don't think that I owed it to her to make her not having a seat my responsibility by asking people to move on her behalf.

I also don't think you were rude, and I agree that you didn't owe it to her to find a seat on her behalf. But I think it would have been nice to do it, and sometimes it's good to do something for someone else that's nice, rather than because you should. So as I said, if I'd had the presence of mind (which I might not), I would have said something jokey like, "This lady's not able to stand, which of you lovely fit and able youngsters would like to give her a seat". I'd have done that on the assumption that she was lacking in the confidence which age and experience have given me. I wouldn't have felt I owed it to her, I'd be doing it out of kindness not a sense of obligation.

Playdoughy · 07/01/2026 12:12

Noshadelamp · 05/01/2026 16:57

Sad age we live in when people debate whether its right to give the pregnant woman a seat.. @midsomermurderer

Being pregnant isn't a disability. There's pregnant women that work on their feet all day, run marathons, run round after small children.

So being pregnant in itself doesn't automatically entitled you to an occupied seat.

Op wasn't in a priority seat, and had physical health needs herself.
There would have been other people on the bus more able bodied to give up their seat to the pregnant woman.

Pregnant women, especially in third trimester are actually less stable on their feet and more prone to falling in case of a vehicle suddenly breaking (compared to themselves if they were not pregnant).
Also, a bad fall poses a very high risk for pregnancy.
Priority seats are actually marked with illustrations of pregnant woman (amongst illustrations of othe vulnerable people) - that should be a hint too.

Playdoughy · 07/01/2026 12:04

sellotapechicken · 05/01/2026 16:56

Oh yes they fucking love them

Wow, what's with the attitude. I certainly didn't 'love' wearing one, and even when very visibly pregnant almost never got offered a seat (daily commute 30-40 mins on a crammed tube). A colleague advised to get the badge and honestly it helped especially if I positioned myself next to the priority seats.

HoLeeFuk · 07/01/2026 12:03

SpaceRaccoon · 07/01/2026 12:01

But that's exactly what was done to OP first.

Yes?

SpaceRaccoon · 07/01/2026 12:01

HoLeeFuk · 07/01/2026 09:49

IMO it's not okay to target a specific individual because they "look" able to stand. You should ask generally.

But that's exactly what was done to OP first.

pollymere · 07/01/2026 11:58

I have a badge that says Please Give Me a Seat. I have no issue with people saying No, I really need to sit too.

I have issues with people in priority seats who ignore being asked and stare at their phones. Or, on a bus, don't let you sit in an available priority seat because they don't want you to sit next to them.

You were decidedly allowed to say no, so don't feel bad.

Lassofnorth · 07/01/2026 11:46

Idontpostmuch · 07/01/2026 11:00

Wobbly isn't necessarily mobility issues. In summer '23 when I was 59, I tripped, just one of these freak occurrences, gaining a black eye, lump on forehead, 2 grazed knees and a bloody nose. A bit shaken but wouldn't have needed a seat. In early pregnancy would have liked one, but not in late pregnancy. The time I DID need a seat, on a train between Glasgow and Edinburgh, on crutches following ski accident, nobody gave me one.

If I’d have been sitting in that carriage you would have been given mine. Incredible that no one you offered you a seat.

KimberleyClark · 07/01/2026 11:26

BandedSnail · 07/01/2026 11:24

I have this problem so have to be careful about where I stand on a bus. I have to be near the seat pole thingys or I can't hold on.

Me too. If I can reach the hanging straps I have no purchase on the floor.

BandedSnail · 07/01/2026 11:24

KimberleyClark · 07/01/2026 11:17

What about short adults? The hand grips are too high for them too.

I have this problem so have to be careful about where I stand on a bus. I have to be near the seat pole thingys or I can't hold on.

KimberleyClark · 07/01/2026 11:17

SleepingStandingUp · 07/01/2026 09:08

I think it's worse to see a healthy adult sitting whilst someone in need stands than to see a healthy 6 year old stand. especially when the bus is full, the hand grips are ceiling height, people are pushing past etc. it's much easier for an adult to hold on than a small child

What about short adults? The hand grips are too high for them too.

Idontpostmuch · 07/01/2026 11:08

SleepingStandingUp · 07/01/2026 09:08

I think it's worse to see a healthy adult sitting whilst someone in need stands than to see a healthy 6 year old stand. especially when the bus is full, the hand grips are ceiling height, people are pushing past etc. it's much easier for an adult to hold on than a small child

@SleepingStandingUp could you reread your post please. Read it 3 times and doesn't seem to make sense. Not trying to make a point, just confused. Thanks.

Idontpostmuch · 07/01/2026 11:05

ScribblingPixie · 07/01/2026 10:55

You can't possibly know that.

Nobody can know anything but it's very unlikely she'll go down so far. At 62 there's no way I have to be given seats, and I'm not athletic like her, just normal ie walking 10 miles or cycling 25 with ease. Over 50s are often cast aside and patronised, so I say good for her.

Idontpostmuch · 07/01/2026 11:00

Joloman74 · 07/01/2026 10:20

You are asuming she was rude? You sound like one of those women that treats pregnancy like an illness and want everyone to tip toe around you lapping up the attention! Ive had 4 and never had an entitled attitude like some! This lady does not need to justify to anyone her reasons for not giving up her seat! Pregnancy doesnt give you a divine right and you are more than capable of standing, more so than someone with mobility issues due to a fall!

Wobbly isn't necessarily mobility issues. In summer '23 when I was 59, I tripped, just one of these freak occurrences, gaining a black eye, lump on forehead, 2 grazed knees and a bloody nose. A bit shaken but wouldn't have needed a seat. In early pregnancy would have liked one, but not in late pregnancy. The time I DID need a seat, on a train between Glasgow and Edinburgh, on crutches following ski accident, nobody gave me one.

ScribblingPixie · 07/01/2026 10:55

Idontpostmuch · 07/01/2026 10:54

Yes but there's a big difference between gruelling marathons and standing on a bus. In 10 yrs time, if she still runs, it could be shorter distances, but she won't need to be given a seat.

You can't possibly know that.