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Men still have the control, how is this ok?

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Unad11 · 04/01/2026 16:30

I have had various experiences with men, some good and some bad. But the reality of how men still control the world really hit me when I had DD.

DP left me during pregnancy after a four year relationship. Things that followed…

Called CMS and was spoken to like shit, had to call constantly to get anything done. Told they would ‘do what they can’ (spoiler, that’s very little).

When he was forced to pay, he did. But he can have a 24% increase in his pay during the year which isn’t taken into account for any increase. He did actually have a 20% increase and he pocketed it all without giving any extra towards DD’s life… this despite the fact that the nursery bill alone was more than double his contribution from CMS.

When he had more involvement in her life it was on his terms. He was often late. I did all the hard yards of keeping her up to date with vaccinations and enrolling her in and paying for nursery.

Then I had the role of being there 24/7 if she ever needed collecting from nursery. It was me who had to ask favours of my manager, me whose career was affected, me who shouldered the financial penalties.

And the real kicker? If you dare to talk about money, you’re a gold digger, you’re all about money or you’re reminded that the money is for DD and not ‘for you.’ That’s ignoring the fact that the lovely gentlemen paying the maintenance is receiving thousands from you in unpaid childcare… if he isn’t parenting 50% of the time (ie his share) he’d have to pay a nanny… but oh wait, he doesn’t because the woman is expected to do it all.

And the next kicker… if you dare to complain that you’re doing it all, don’t you WANT to look after your DD? What a terrible mother you are!

The reality is, money matters. Money protects, money gives you control. Men need to pay up, properly. Men and women need to stop shaming women for speaking up.

I also want to add to my rant that I think nursery is the only place where you hear people talking about it like it’s a charity… (when they’re not)… if it closes or there’s a shut down, no you shouldn’t have to pay to ‘ensure the staff are paid.’ Only in a childcare context is it that the women are supposed to be grateful for the service being provided in return for huge fees. Imagine a gym closing for a day and people (men) being told shut up and pay because the staff still need paying. Women are always supposed to be grateful, we are outsourcing our job to earn money, when that’s shameful remember (..!!) And yes I know the ts and cs often say you must pay when there’s closures but that’s not the point, the point is it’s the only industry where that’s supposed to be accepted. Women you must be grateful even if you are paying through the nose for the childcare.

I sound bitter and twisted (because I am) but I am (very luckily) financially secure and mostly protected from this shit these days (DD now 5).

But… I want to help make changes. I don’t know where to start. Any ideas thoughts or comments very much welcome. And I’m bracing myself for the usual misogynistic posts too, of course.

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5128gap · 05/01/2026 12:21

Sexentric · 05/01/2026 06:25

Ok Just to play devil's advocate here id say that its not technically men who have the ability to get away with doing / paying almost nothing, its the non resident parent. Now I know for the most part that IS the man but just pointing out it isn't always. When I was a kid my mum met a new man and up and left and moved to a different country. Never paid maintenance, saw us every now and then in school holidays when it suited her.
And actually my gym closes over Christmas and we dont get a reduction.
I do feel your pain by the way and I understand why youre angry. I would be too in your situation.

Only 15% of single parent households are headed by men. Of those an even smaller percentage will be headed by men who's female partner upped and left abdicating all responsibility for their children, as oppose to dying, becoming ill, sacrificing having them reside with her because she believed it in their interests, or maintaining contact and financial responsibility.
When we discuss these issues, and identify problems, we don't consider every single case ever. We look at patterns and trends. The occasional case that goes against the grain doesn't stop it from being a pattern.
Leaving ones children and failing to support them is a male patterned behaviour. We have to acknowledge that so we can explore why it happens.

Sharptonguedwoman · 05/01/2026 10:31

InterestedDad37 · 05/01/2026 10:28

Probably like 'greatness' - some are born that way, some become that way, and some have it thrust upon them (Malvolio in Twelfth Night)

Love that-but not the arseholes, obviously.

InterestedDad37 · 05/01/2026 10:28

Sharptonguedwoman · 05/01/2026 10:18

Are arseholes always apparent or can they develop through time?

Probably like 'greatness' - some are born that way, some become that way, and some have it thrust upon them (Malvolio in Twelfth Night)

Sharptonguedwoman · 05/01/2026 10:18

InterestedDad37 · 04/01/2026 18:12

You chose an arsehole to have a kid with 🤷
While I fully appreciate societal advantages for men in general, and commiserate with you for your experiences, one arsehole doesn't make a general rule of thumb, and many people will have had better outcomes

Are arseholes always apparent or can they develop through time?

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 05/01/2026 10:11

CMS really is useless. Parliament granted it the power to impose quite a lot of sanctions that could be brought to bear on the non-resident parent but it simply can't be arsed.

EveryChairIsWobbly · 05/01/2026 10:05

Higher tax for all men - this is their ‘community fund’ that they collectively pay into to acknowledge that many of their kind shirk their responsibilities.

crackofdoom · 05/01/2026 10:03

SoftBalletShoes · 05/01/2026 07:31

You mean women who have kids with abusive men? Well, that’s complicated, because abusers are often truly lovely until they have the woman trapped.

Agree. They are often extremely skilled at pretending.

I often remember how XP would come over every weekend and clean the kitchen while I was bathing DS1 (not his, we got together when he was a toddler). He was the one to teach DS1 how to ride a bike. Constantly talked about his deep seated longing for kids.

Then we had DS2 together, and subsequently split up. He has never- just as one example- tried to teach DS2 to ride a bike. He never does anything with DS2 on his weekends- DS2 spends every single weekend at his glued to a screen.

He was just very, very good at pretending. When he got what he wanted he didn't need to bother any more.

johntorodesfatcheeks · 05/01/2026 09:53

The CMS are an utter joke
They should be renamed the Absent Parent Support Service. The paying parent can spin them any old yarn and it’s accepted at face value whereas the resident parent has to produce a dossier of evidence similar to a murder trial to even get some them to agree to an “investigation” that inevitably ignores it all all anyway

InterestedDad37 · 05/01/2026 09:51

crackofdoom · 05/01/2026 09:47

I would say that, talking on a societal scale, men very very much still hold an unfair advantage when it comes to fair division of domestic and parenting labour.

We don't disagree 👍

Luckyingame · 05/01/2026 09:49

Carla786 · 05/01/2026 06:37

If you don't want kids, why marry for security?

Personal security....

crackofdoom · 05/01/2026 09:47

InterestedDad37 · 04/01/2026 18:12

You chose an arsehole to have a kid with 🤷
While I fully appreciate societal advantages for men in general, and commiserate with you for your experiences, one arsehole doesn't make a general rule of thumb, and many people will have had better outcomes

I would say that, talking on a societal scale, men very very much still hold an unfair advantage when it comes to fair division of domestic and parenting labour.

johntorodesfatcheeks · 05/01/2026 09:43

Boomer55 · 04/01/2026 18:12

And me. No abusive men have ever been allowed into my life.🤷‍♀️

Well aren’t you both clever girls @Boomer55 @herefortheclicks
Your posts are rather smug and also show little insight into just how some abusive men unfurl a complex and incredibly well thought out out campaign of control and domination upon women that is taken to a whole different level and gradually exposed once children are in the picture.
it can literally happen to anyone so please don’t imply that all women in difficult positions because of backing the wrong horse are nitwits blinded by desperation and raging hormones.

crackofdoom · 05/01/2026 09:43

SBGM247 · 04/01/2026 18:01

Well I feel for you @herefortheclicks . The other side of the coin is Men have no real rights with their kids. And I've been through that, always paid, had to do so the traveling, and after 13 years she moved away and he didn't want to come see me. I could go into detail but don't want to derail your post. Just very frustrating as a Man too. I wonder if it's not really about one gender and rather about having to put up with shitty people.

Can you name four of your son's mates?
When did you last drive your son to an extracurricular activity?
What size shoes does he wear?
When was his last dentist appointment, and who booked it?
What are his plans post- 16, and was it you taking him to all the open days/ talking through his plans/ badgering him to get all the applications in in time?

5128gap · 05/01/2026 09:41

I think the fight for a world in which women are treated equally has had many successes thanks to the work of women who went before us. But you're right it's far from over.
What you can do will be personal and depend on your circumstances. But things like speaking out and challenging these attitudes, having conversations with people where you give another view helps. As does supporting and uplifting other women whenever you get the chance.
You can donate to causes furthering women's rights or get involved with projects to benefit women and girls. You can use your vote to support candidates who seem to have an interest in women's issues. You can lobby your MP if you spot an injustice in law. You can complain formally when you encounter sexist attitudes in organisations. You can join feminist groups.
You won't change the world on your own, but we are 50% of the population, so if we all do a little then we can be a powerful force.

GiantTeddyIsTired · 05/01/2026 09:34

Pinkladyapplepie · 04/01/2026 21:29

I am shocked at some of these comments. "Women should stop...with crap men".
You only need to read the lots of posts of MN to know that we haven't copulated with shit men, in my case a childhood sweetheart, man who I had known since the age of 4, knew his family, been in the forces, good career, married 5 years before having children (to feel confident we were secure etc, etc. He had an affair whilst I was pregnant. Then moved job every year basically so CS couldn't catch up with him. Took years to get any contribution financially. He is still completely crap parent to grown kids, he went on to have others.
We don't have crystal balls, but it needs to be made more difficult for men to walk away without consequences and also women should not listen when a bloke runs down previous partners and realise, they will repeat and repeat ( I have had conversations with his subsequent partners)

Mine went on a fitness drive, started taking TRT, and completely changed personality - became cold and hard, sex was painful and rough and left me in tears more than once, then he started sleeping with anyone (male or female) who'd let him.

Not sure how I could have predicted that TBH.

GiantTeddyIsTired · 05/01/2026 09:28

Carla786 · 05/01/2026 06:35

Is that really true re courts though?

No, it's not.

No matter what the circumstances before the split, they start at a presumption of 50/50 for a start. They prioritise contact over everything else, but don't enforce it (for obvious reasons), so the non-resident parent (>90% of the time male) can have 50/50 agreed in the courts, then just not turn up, and all the resident parent can do is spend more money going back to court.

If a father wants contact, he will get it, and largely on his own terms. And if the mother tries to do anything about that, she will be sanctioned for it.

GiantTeddyIsTired · 05/01/2026 09:21

Unad11 · 04/01/2026 18:16

@SBGM247 you do have rights. You are free to apply to court to assert them, did you do that?

And since he was paying maintenance, can we assume he wasn't 50/50 responsible for their care?

'had to do the travelling' - so when they split, sounds like he didn't stay close to them himself?

And his son didn't want to come and see him after they moved? Well. I know that if I moved, my son would come and visit me.. sounds like he needed to work harder on that relationship.

It's impossible to know the circumstance, but, I've often considered moving back to be closer to family so I had someone (reliable) who could take the kids every now and then when I needed to do something, or to look after them after school once a week so I had an hour or two's breathing space between work and school runs. Or perhaps she had a fantastic job offer? Is he saying that he wouldn't move if he got a great job offer (because I see plenty of fathers on here that do)

Anna713 · 05/01/2026 09:14

My son is the resident parent. His daughter does not see her mother who is an alcoholic, abusive, drug taking waste of space. Cms have been useless. It's shitty parents that are the problem and the shitty parent is not always the mother.

Quine0nline · 05/01/2026 07:37

If you seriously want something to be done about this as women then write to you MPs, MSPs, Sennedd deputies, councillors, prospective candidates REGARDLESS of their or your personal prejudices and demand something be done. Write is a manner appropriate to the known leanings of the party. If labour, about how a useless CMS is hobbling women from achieving greatness, if Tory how deadbeat dad's are letting the country down, if Reform picture of a spitfire and union jack and how innocent English virgins have been despoiled by foreign invaders - whatever.

Or sit back a day Bad men , yah, men are bad, bastard men , yah yah yah.

SoftBalletShoes · 05/01/2026 07:31

PollyBell · 05/01/2026 02:13

I should have made it clear, a long term couple who have made joint plans to have a child is not what i was speaking of

Yes their relationship can break down

People who blindly have a child because well someone is throwing me some attention and I really want a baby so will stick my head in the sand and ignore all the red flag, then go on to have more ignoring more red flags is

You mean women who have kids with abusive men? Well, that’s complicated, because abusers are often truly lovely until they have the woman trapped.

thepariscrimefiles · 05/01/2026 07:11

There have been some terrible stories on here about the lengths that some men will go to in order to pay the bare minimum or absolutely nothing to their ex-wives/partners for the children that they have fathered.

They hide assets, resign from their jobs, put everything in their new partner's name, including their businesses/companies, work for cash in hand and don't declare any income.

It's ridiculous how all this behaviour seems just to be accepted by CMS and HMRC without any questioning or investigation.

Pinkladyapplepie · 05/01/2026 07:09

Firefly1987 · 05/01/2026 00:03

I just assume that the vast majority of men don't want kids. I mean leaving you during pregnancy doesn't scream family man. Did he say he wanted children? Not having kids is always an option...

All my kids were planned, by both of us, Mine are now older and I have told them "only have kids if you are prepared to bring them up alone, things change and you could be left to do it all." Also to the sons, the same plus how they step up from conception their needs do not come first.

BonneMamanAbricot · 05/01/2026 06:51

I completely agree and yes the arguments trying to shame women from speaking up are infuriating. In dealing with a man in a cms context I have seen exactly how much sexism is tolerated and encouraged in our society. A man is not shamed into accepting what is unfair, but a woman is. And that’s before all the ‘my ex goes on 52 holidays a year with the £20 a month CMS’ stories.

Carla786 · 05/01/2026 06:37

Luckyingame · 04/01/2026 19:44

Absolutely YANBU.
I never had children and married a decent man, thirty years older, for security and also, to be left alone as far as sex goes, now at 47.
Been married for 20 years, all good.
The thing is, I had shitty experience in general with men since teenage years and it made me loathe, hate and fear them.
Bold statement, I know. Speaking for myself.

If you don't want kids, why marry for security?

Carla786 · 05/01/2026 06:35

NickyKat · 04/01/2026 23:14

It's a difficult one really. I also see lots of men complaining that we get priority in family court and custody cases etc. I think things need to change on both sides.

Is that really true re courts though?

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