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MIL not putting in effort and then complaining she feels “left out”.

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Conversationalcheddar · 04/01/2026 07:10

We have two small dc, 3 and 7mo. From the start my mum has been by my side helping with the kids, having older dc over night when I went into labour, offering to take kids at the weekend to give us a break, and LOVES time with the grandchildren. She would be here all the time if she could. She calls every day, sometimes multiple times a day, to talk to dc. I’m so grateful, her attention to the kids warms my heart. Both dc adore her.

MIL isn’t really involved. She sends Christmas and birthday presents. She has met younger dc twice and sees older dc maybe 2-3 times a year. But we always have to go to her, she won’t come to us because she “doesn’t like driving” but will drive the same distance to her sister’s every week. Even just after younger dc was born, she asked us to come to her to meet dc. She doesn’t call. She never asks after the kids.

Without thinking, I Made a soppy post on instagram about how much I appreciate my mum and everything she’s done for me in 2025. My mum has instagram and i wanted to make a public acknowledgment of everything she’s done (I also bought her a very thoughtful Christmas gift and am planning something big for Mother’s Day). But MIL saw it (she doesn’t have instagram but her adult dd does so I’m guessing adult dd showed her). She has sent dh a long and aggressive message about how she feels left out and about how unfair it is and how unappreciated she feels. She said she feels like she “can’t compete”. She. Is. Not. Involved. She chooses to not make an effort. I said to dh, even if she just called once a week to speak to the kids, that would be amazing but she just doesn’t. And now she’s annoyed at not receiving acknowledgement for something she doesn’t do. Now, I appreciate I probably shouldn’t have made the instagram post (maybe) but honestly, I didn’t even think about her when making it. Again, because she includes herself so little in our lives that how it reflected on her didn’t even cross my mind.

AIBU for acknowledging my very involved mother and not including MIL in a token way? I appreciate it would have cost nothing to just throw in a token “and we are grateful for MIL too” as well, even if it wasn’t true.

YANBU, someone who doesn’t make an effort cannot expect to be thanked for being involved.

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Lairymary · 04/01/2026 11:13

Is she maybe put off from visiting because she thinks your mother will be there? I can see this being the reason if you all come as a bundle and she has to compete.

Nanny0gg · 04/01/2026 11:10

Hufflemuff · 04/01/2026 08:10

Your DH should reply: "Hi Mum, sorry youre upset by this. Its not about competing, but your unwillingness to drive to us makes it tricky to involve you. How often are you hoping to be seeing us? Maybe you could call us more? It's always me calling you - but I'd be happy to hear from you if you called me."

It puts a lot of the responsibilities moving forward onto her. She has to say - I want to see you once a month AND then you can say, how do you expect that happens, can you drive to us please? You've asked her to call you and reminded her that its always you calling her - without being confrontational.

I wouldn't have been able to do that drive when I was the GM's age.

Not everyone can

user1492757084 · 04/01/2026 11:08

It's very insensitive of you to thank your mother on social media. Akin to offering condolances over social media.
People can read all sorts of things into why they are not thanked for things by you.
It seems quite attention seeking; almost making a point of announcing to all that your MIL doesn't help to the same extent.

No-one's efforts and contributions are ever exactly the same but family members are equally loved and valued.
That is the unspoken belief that has unsettled MIL. She now feels like she is in a competition.
Her son needs to increase his communication. Your DH should be taking his children over to see his mother every fortnight so that the children are comfortable with MIL.

It is unusual for a Grandmother to be as involved as your mother is. You are lucky to have her help but it is okay to not be like your mother.

Frogbear · 04/01/2026 11:05

C8H10N4O2 · 04/01/2026 10:38

That isn’t consistent with what you said.

You equated someone saying they could not be the unpaid childcare with someone saying they don’t want a close relationship with their DGC.

If a DC living an hour away told me to make sure my new car took their childseats I would also wonder what they would expect (although I would just ask). Asking if I want their seat specs in case its every useful is a very different question. A lot of this is about the communication and mismatched expectations.

Expecting grandparents to move house to help with children is unreasonable - we all have other children/family/jobs to consider. Presumably the OP is an only child. Its also easy to underestimate the barrier to a reserved person of having to arrange visits knowing there is a grandma in chief in residence most of the time. Usually both sides need to accommodate the other a bit where cultures conflict.

I note also there is rarely criticism of the FiLs for not downing tools and moving ten minutes away to be free childcare in these threads.

Edited

And for the record, before we moved to be closer to my parents, my parents lived 1.5 hours away and were still massively helpful and involved, including helping with childcare and giving us a break when need be. That was very possible without anyone needing to move.

Nanny0gg · 04/01/2026 11:05

Conversationalcheddar · 04/01/2026 10:00

Yes, me and DH had this conversation this morning. MIL’s own parents had her 3 dcs (including dh) overnight twice a week to help PIL. They went to their maternal grandmothers house every day after school during primary years so MIL could work. But MIL’s MIL was very similar to her, very distant. Dh doesn’t even know his father’s parents, despite them both still being alive (though they’d be in their early 90s now). I think she must have forgotten all this. MIL has another son with a child, but MIL is NC with this son entirely and MIL has never met and refuses to acknowledge the child that is technically my dcs cousin. Dh’s brother and mother fell out because MIL didn’t like BILs girlfriend (mother of the other grandchild). This all makes MIL sound bad but she is a lovely woman in person, we get along just fine.

Why hasn't your husband spoken to his father about not knowing his paternal grandparents?

Nanny0gg · 04/01/2026 11:03

Conversationalcheddar · 04/01/2026 09:46

Yes, totally understood what you meant :) just frustrated that MIL has taken “I love my mum” to mean “and not my MIL”.

But that's true, isn't it?

I wouldn't cope with your mother's level of involvement (as a GM) but if it suits the both of you (and your DH is ok with it) then crack on

I understand your MiL's reluctance to drive and being the distance away she is will also have an impact. Is her husband still alive? Can they come together?

And I also wouldn't be facetiming the children - I really don't do it (or Zoom or Teams or anything else involving video) so maybe accept her differences

Frogbear · 04/01/2026 11:03

C8H10N4O2 · 04/01/2026 10:38

That isn’t consistent with what you said.

You equated someone saying they could not be the unpaid childcare with someone saying they don’t want a close relationship with their DGC.

If a DC living an hour away told me to make sure my new car took their childseats I would also wonder what they would expect (although I would just ask). Asking if I want their seat specs in case its every useful is a very different question. A lot of this is about the communication and mismatched expectations.

Expecting grandparents to move house to help with children is unreasonable - we all have other children/family/jobs to consider. Presumably the OP is an only child. Its also easy to underestimate the barrier to a reserved person of having to arrange visits knowing there is a grandma in chief in residence most of the time. Usually both sides need to accommodate the other a bit where cultures conflict.

I note also there is rarely criticism of the FiLs for not downing tools and moving ten minutes away to be free childcare in these threads.

Edited

You’re the one who seems to equate distance as a necessity for a relationship. I was responding to the point you made. At no point did I say a grandparent needs to be move so not sure why you’re fixating on that.

The mindset of not wanting to unpaid childcare sets the boundaries of how the the relationship will be, according to grandparents. Deciding that they will only help in emergencies, whatever the distance, shows that the grandparent expects to be hands off and not very involved. That is their prerogative but the consequence to that the relationship will be very different to one where the grandparents are involved.

SpiritofaPanda · 04/01/2026 11:02

LAMPS1 · 04/01/2026 08:54

…….she includes herself so little in our lives……

So why not make more effort to actually include her then. Of course she’s different to your own mum whose reliable ways you know inside out but you have to make effort with MIL to make her feel she’s on the right track with you. And positively wanted and valued. It takes effort from you too!

Is the real story that you actually like the status quo….that is, you really enjoy your mum being with you and the dc but don’t give a second thought to MIL, not even when you are posting a massive (unnecessary) thank you to your mum on Instagram which really highlighted to MIL how sad a situation it is for her.

You shouldn’t be surprised that MIL eventually saw it. It’s hurtful to her and really quite cruel/thoughtless of you OP.

I think you could make more effort with MIL.
As it stands, no wonder she draws away from you.

Did you even bother to read the OP's posts?

SixtySomething · 04/01/2026 10:59

Whenisitmyturn29384 · 04/01/2026 10:52

My in-laws are like this. My parents and the in-laws both live 10 mins away. My parents have always been fully involved, see at least once a week, text all the time. They know everything about my kids and what they are like as people . Their likes and dislikes (teenagers now)
My in-laws are very nice people and very kind. But they have never built a relationship with the kids. We would always go round and they would just sit and have adult conversations, ignore the kids, didn't ask them questions etc. Whereas at my mums house they had as many toys as at home. My mum would play with them all the time.
In laws would go weeks if not months without ringing. I used to do it just to keep contact but I got so annoyed I told husband we would stop and see what happens. It went on for 6 months.
At Xmas they buy them gifts that they are not interested in or clothes they dont like as they dont know them. They dont even know what schools they go to and they forget their ages.
I used to get extremely upset about it. Then my SIL had a child and mil is exactly the same with them, never sees them. So then I knew it wasnt personal.
My kids are very happy to have such involved grandparents and they never even mention the other ones.
My own grandparents were the same. I had one who I saw all the time , one I never had a relationship with . That one is still alive, nearly 100, I haven't seen her for years

It might be nice to break the pattern and go visit your grandmother?
You might find you really like her?

Nanny0gg · 04/01/2026 10:57

Conversationalcheddar · 04/01/2026 07:23

I have tried to message MIL updates on the kids to keep her involved but she either didn’t respond (choosing instead to message dh back and ignoring me) or will just answer “aww”. And that’ll be the end of it. I do try to involve her. When she was getting a new car I even joked “make sure it’s big enough to have car seats in the back!” And she snapped back “I’m done raising my kids, I’m not raising yours!”. I was simply suggesting she might have her grandchildren in the car with her sometimes, not that I wanted her to raise my kids. I get her personality is quite stand offish but you cannot be standoffish with her DIL and grandkids then demand attention from us.

And in answer to the question about the instagram post, I was trying to impress my mum. I acknowledge her privately and I chose to also acknowledge her publicly. She deserves it. It’s good to be grateful, it’s how I also want to raise my dc.

Horses for courses

I have done and still do quite a lot with and for my DGC

I would be aghast if anything about it was posted on SM

IkeaMeatballGravy · 04/01/2026 10:57

Sounds like your SIL is a bit of a snake. Why did she feel the need to shit stir? She knows her DM isn't on Instagram.

As for your MIL, I reckon if she tried to be as full on as your DM you would find her a bit of a pain in the back side. Most people would find that level of contact from anyone to be stifling.

That being said she sounds a bit shit, I do find people who say 'I've raised my children' were usually mediocre parents (who relied on GP help themselves!). Why does she expect you to drive your DCs over on the same roads she is afraid of? As for not replying to messages my MIL used to reply to DH when I was the one who messaged her, it makes you feel like you don't exist doesn't it? If she can't acknowledge you as the mother of her GCs in a simple message or even bother to write any reply at all, why would she expect you to write a gushing post about her?

SixtySomething · 04/01/2026 10:57

She may not have the confidence /social skills to put herself forward.
She may be waiting to be asked/included.
Possibly you may be unintentionally be making her feel excluded. The Instagram post does seem out of place. What your Mum does for you and DGC is private, no one else's concern. This makes me feel your MIL may have been made to feel an outsider. TBH posting on MN seems to be another way of having a go at her, when she can't give her side of things.
I could be wrong but I feel something has made her like this.

Whenisitmyturn29384 · 04/01/2026 10:52

My in-laws are like this. My parents and the in-laws both live 10 mins away. My parents have always been fully involved, see at least once a week, text all the time. They know everything about my kids and what they are like as people . Their likes and dislikes (teenagers now)
My in-laws are very nice people and very kind. But they have never built a relationship with the kids. We would always go round and they would just sit and have adult conversations, ignore the kids, didn't ask them questions etc. Whereas at my mums house they had as many toys as at home. My mum would play with them all the time.
In laws would go weeks if not months without ringing. I used to do it just to keep contact but I got so annoyed I told husband we would stop and see what happens. It went on for 6 months.
At Xmas they buy them gifts that they are not interested in or clothes they dont like as they dont know them. They dont even know what schools they go to and they forget their ages.
I used to get extremely upset about it. Then my SIL had a child and mil is exactly the same with them, never sees them. So then I knew it wasnt personal.
My kids are very happy to have such involved grandparents and they never even mention the other ones.
My own grandparents were the same. I had one who I saw all the time , one I never had a relationship with . That one is still alive, nearly 100, I haven't seen her for years

Climbinghigher · 04/01/2026 10:51

C8H10N4O2 · 04/01/2026 10:06

So if I want a close relationship with my DGC I must be prepared to move house, give up work and provide free childcare?

Could be tricky as they don’t even all live in the same country and I’m still working.

You can do what you like. I’m a similar age, working in a professional role but would want to be hands on with any grandchildren. I’d reduce my working hours to help out if it would be helpful & could fit in around my other commitments (lucky to have the option, but just where my personal priorities lie).

If I rarely saw them and the other grandparents saw them all the time I could hardly sulk if the other grandparents were more involved and had a stronger relationship.

Howwilliknow122 · 04/01/2026 10:50

Blasterplaster · 04/01/2026 07:15

In most of these cases your mother is most involved as you encourage that and you discourage your mil. So we’re only hearing your side and with the whole picture you’re probably being unreasonable. Why the public soppy post? Who are you trying to impress? Why not thank her personally? Why the need for an audience?

I find women who discourage their mils usually have good reason and its usually because they over step and make everything about themselves... very similar to getting upset over a post your dil made for her own mother which she doesn't need permission for nor does she need to justify this to an mil who clearly saw the post and recognised that it highlighted what a lazy grandmother she is in comparison. Its her own hang up and nothing to do with the op. That aside there is nothing to suggest op has done this so im not sure what your point is.

Theretogreet · 04/01/2026 10:46

Jinglejells · 04/01/2026 10:36

Don’t play into it op or try to please her. Remember she’s just your dh mother, not someone who you need to win their approval. She doesn’t want to be involved, so she doesn’t get any recognition. Simple as that.

😀
Is this ‘tongue in cheek’?

That can't be a genuine view of your children’s grandparent and a part of your family.

Brefugee · 04/01/2026 10:45

Now, I appreciate I probably shouldn’t have made the instagram post (maybe

she is your mum. You can make as many appreciative instagram posts about her as you want. One an hour all year if you like.

rainingsnoring · 04/01/2026 10:42

SomewhatAnnoyed · 04/01/2026 07:36

I agree.

It’s easy for mothers of fathers to feel pushed out as usually the mums of young kids concentrate on their own family. She may not feel comfortable chatting away to a 3 and 7 month old on the phone, especially if she doesn’t see them all the time like your mum. I’m guessing your mum lives much closer to you so it’s been a lot easier to develop a closer relationship with them. Also the criticism on her driving - are they two exact same journeys, or is the one to her sister easier or one she has traveled for years so she is far more comfortable driving it as she gets older? Did you intentionally make your family home close to your parents? If so why was that your priority and why did his mum lose out?

You sound really hash OP. Your mum won’t be around forever and neither will your MIL. Your OH may feel pissed off that his family are being sidelined when they’re gone if you’re welcoming and prioritising yours and criticising his.

He obv needs to take responsibility too but if you’re the dominant force and teaming up with your mum it’s going to be harder for him to enable his mum to have equal time with your children. It’s not her fault her son won’t fight her corner and she has every right to see them as your own mother. If they both lives next door to you with the same amount of spare time that’s fair enough, but I can quite see how she’d feel more awkward and not want to push things, and that’s not going to change unless you and her son make more of an effort. You can’t complain that she’s annoying for feeling sad if you’re not more understanding of her situation.

No. @Conversationalcheddar isn't harsh. The MIL has clearly made no effort and has also made it clear that she doesn't wish to make effort but yet expects the young family to make the effort with her.
@Conversationalcheddar your DH has two options re her message. One would be to not reply, simply ignore the outburst. The other would be to try to open up a conversation about how the two of you are surprised/hurt that she hasn't made more effort to see her son and grandchildren.

Lollylavender · 04/01/2026 10:42

Rosecoffeecup · 04/01/2026 10:32

Sounds like there wouldn't be much time for your MIL to be involved anyway, given your mother seems to be there or on the phone to them all day...

excactly

sounds like you prefer your own mum anyway

LadyLapsang · 04/01/2026 10:40

How often do you all drive over to see MIL so she can spend time with her grandchildren? Given your DM spends so much time with you, I would imagine you won’t be playing catch up on chores at the weekend as much as most families without your level of support so the whole family could see MIL when DH isn’t working. Do you work? You don’t mention the grandfathers, where are they in this set up?

Shoxfordian · 04/01/2026 10:39

Your dh should reply and tell her to stop being so ridiculous. If she wants credit or thanks then she should try actually helping sometime

C8H10N4O2 · 04/01/2026 10:38

Frogbear · 04/01/2026 10:09

My in laws have a close relationship with my young DC - they live on the other side of the country!

You don’t have to live 10 mins down the road to keep a relationship going.

That isn’t consistent with what you said.

You equated someone saying they could not be the unpaid childcare with someone saying they don’t want a close relationship with their DGC.

If a DC living an hour away told me to make sure my new car took their childseats I would also wonder what they would expect (although I would just ask). Asking if I want their seat specs in case its every useful is a very different question. A lot of this is about the communication and mismatched expectations.

Expecting grandparents to move house to help with children is unreasonable - we all have other children/family/jobs to consider. Presumably the OP is an only child. Its also easy to underestimate the barrier to a reserved person of having to arrange visits knowing there is a grandma in chief in residence most of the time. Usually both sides need to accommodate the other a bit where cultures conflict.

I note also there is rarely criticism of the FiLs for not downing tools and moving ten minutes away to be free childcare in these threads.

Littlemisssavvy · 04/01/2026 10:38

She sounds very self centred although also the post has unearthed her feelings of resentment and jealousy (which were already there) so in a way this a good opportunity for this to be tackled head on.
Your DH need to respond but should think carefully about the words perhaps using this to ask what MIL wants to happen and do differently, perhaps playback her own words about her being done with raising her own children and not wanting to raise yours ie what relationship would she like? This might be better as a conversation.
You have to put the ball back in her court about what needs to be different.

NewYearSameYou · 04/01/2026 10:37

Conversationalcheddar · 04/01/2026 10:00

Yes, me and DH had this conversation this morning. MIL’s own parents had her 3 dcs (including dh) overnight twice a week to help PIL. They went to their maternal grandmothers house every day after school during primary years so MIL could work. But MIL’s MIL was very similar to her, very distant. Dh doesn’t even know his father’s parents, despite them both still being alive (though they’d be in their early 90s now). I think she must have forgotten all this. MIL has another son with a child, but MIL is NC with this son entirely and MIL has never met and refuses to acknowledge the child that is technically my dcs cousin. Dh’s brother and mother fell out because MIL didn’t like BILs girlfriend (mother of the other grandchild). This all makes MIL sound bad but she is a lovely woman in person, we get along just fine.

Lovely people don't ignore the existence of grandchildren because 'they don't like' their son's partner.

Lovely people don't rely on grandparent childcare themselves when raising their children, but aggressively spout 'I've raised mine' when they haven't ever been asked to babysit/watch their grandchildren.

Lovely people don't moan they're not being 'thanked' on social media when they haven't lifted a finger to maintain a relationship or have done anything to be thanked for.

Lovely people don't say they can't possibly visit their own son and grandchildren because 'they don't like driving' when they regularly drive the same distance to see other family. Which she does. Regularly.

Lovely people don't want other people, here their counterpart grandparent, OP's mum, to do LESS to make themselves feel better about not doing anything at all. Which is what's happening here.

Jinglejells · 04/01/2026 10:36

Don’t play into it op or try to please her. Remember she’s just your dh mother, not someone who you need to win their approval. She doesn’t want to be involved, so she doesn’t get any recognition. Simple as that.

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