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To think infant circumcision is wrong but also that a total ban on it will not work and is not the most effective way to tackle it?

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Carla786 · 04/01/2026 00:49

On the recent threads after the tragic death of the baby boy who died from circumcision performed by a non medical professional, there have been a lot of calls for a total ban on here.
Now, I think infant circumcision is very wrong. But in practice I do not think a ban will work.
Most cultural circumcisions are performed by medically trained people. Backstreet ones need to be cracked down on with the full force of the law, but they are not typical.
Second, circumcision is key in Islam. However, while most agree it’s either compulsory or strongly recommended, age requirements are not as stringent in mandating someone has to be a minor. I think there is some hope sensitive campaigning within the community could maybe make more families consider leaving it until their son is at least maybe an older adolescent with more ability to choose.
Judaism – circumcision is central to Orthodox, Ultra Orthodox Haredi ofc, and more liberal Masorti and Reform. It is extremely unlikely that any law or external pressure would stop these practices, because brit milah is a covenantal obligation tied to Jewish identity. Attempting a blanket ban would likely trigger defensiveness, fear, maybe underground circumcisions and probably emigration of at least some to Israel or elsewhere, rather than protect children.
Focusing on sterile procedures, trained practitioners, and medical supervision would be more likely to significantly reduce risk. Jews have experienced persecution for circumcision in the past (e.g., Hellenistic bans and European restrictions), so any attempt to criminalise it today can feel existential. This is only heightened by the terrible upsurge in anti Semitism recently.

I agree with sentiments behind calling for a ban - I just thing measures short of a ban are more likely to work.

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AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:16

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:13

Point is that all this pearl clutching about male circumcision and push to have it outlawed is not coming from circumcised men...
So, yes, you deciding for all these men who are perfectly happy with having been circumcised as babies that you know better stinks of total cultural snobbism. It's entirely different to FGM.

Of course I won't even bother trying to convey how important male circumcision is, in Judaism at least, as that will just be belittled and sneered at.

I believe there are organisations of men against circumcision actually.

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:15

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:07

Maybe because it has been normalised to an extent that we dont see the harm in mutilating baby boys. It is indicative of our wider belief that boys are disposable/indestructable (or proper men should be) which is the foundation of toxic masculinity. Even men have absorbed the idea that it is ok or even positive to put a boy through such a procedure. It will make him a man.

Yeah, so that's not ever part of the discourse around male circumcision in Jewish culture, ever, and you're showing total ignorance about male circumcision and why its done.

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:13

SapphOhNo · 04/01/2026 10:00

This argument collapses the moment you remove cultural defensiveness and look at the ethics.

How common circumcision is does not matter. Popularity does not make an irreversible bodily alteration ethical, especially when it is done to someone who cannot consent.

The claim that it has “very few downsides” is simply untrue. It removes healthy functional tissue, permanently alters the body, and sometimes causes complications. The fact that many men are fine with it does not cancel out the fact that some are not and were never given a choice.

Saying it is easier on a baby is not a justification. It is the core problem. Babies cannot refuse.

The “he might regret not being circumcised” argument is logically broken. If he grows up and wants it, he can choose it. If you do it to him as a baby and he does not want it, the harm is irreversible.

This is not about British snobbery or looking down on other cultures. It is about a child’s right to bodily integrity. Culture does not override consent.

Point is that all this pearl clutching about male circumcision and push to have it outlawed is not coming from circumcised men...
So, yes, you deciding for all these men who are perfectly happy with having been circumcised as babies that you know better stinks of total cultural snobbism. It's entirely different to FGM.

Of course I won't even bother trying to convey how important male circumcision is, in Judaism at least, as that will just be belittled and sneered at.

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:07

sabababa · 04/01/2026 11:59

As I said, much more difficult operation. I know many circumcised men who were circumcised as babies and not one has ever said they wished their parents had not done it to them.
You're all outraged about something that doesnt affect you and is not coming from or being demanded by the community of circumcised men. Of course there are a tiny number but compared to the billions(!) who are circumcised totally marginal.

Maybe because it has been normalised to an extent that we dont see the harm in mutilating baby boys. It is indicative of our wider belief that boys are disposable/indestructable (or proper men should be) which is the foundation of toxic masculinity. Even men have absorbed the idea that it is ok or even positive to put a boy through such a procedure. It will make him a man.

5MinuteArgument · 04/01/2026 12:06

My local GP practice offers a 'circumcision service'. I think MGM is a good name for it. They charge £150 last time I looked, which I imagine doesn't cover the full cost. So we're paying for this unecessary and harmful tradition in our taxes.

The UK needs to be much more robust in saying you're welcome to practice your religion or culture but these are our red lines.

MissyB1 · 04/01/2026 12:05

Mischance · 04/01/2026 11:07

Fear of upsetting a cultural minority should not stop the UK outlawing child mutilation.
Let them be upset.
The UK must stand firm on basic principles.

This! And I’m amazed anyone would need this pointing out to them.

itsnotfairisit · 04/01/2026 12:05

Mischance · 04/01/2026 12:02

It beggars belief that people who believe in the existence of an infallible god should at the same time believe that he/she makes such major mistakes in the construction of babies that we need to set about correcting these - what utter nonsense it all is. Nonsense that is allowed in UK law - it is time we got on with outlawing this.

Not just religious people. It’s commonly done in the US for ‘hygiene’ reasons. Bonkers

itsnotfairisit · 04/01/2026 12:04

Trouble with outlawing is that initially at least you’ll get (even more) backstreet dangerous cicumcisions being done.
That said, I strongly disagree with the practice. Let’s not forget too that it’s secular thing done in places like the US. When i gave birth there the first question I was asked by the paediatrician was ‘do you want your son circumcised?’. That was 30 years ago. I don’t expect things have much changed.

Blushingm · 04/01/2026 12:03

sabababa · 04/01/2026 11:59

As I said, much more difficult operation. I know many circumcised men who were circumcised as babies and not one has ever said they wished their parents had not done it to them.
You're all outraged about something that doesnt affect you and is not coming from or being demanded by the community of circumcised men. Of course there are a tiny number but compared to the billions(!) who are circumcised totally marginal.

But again - they don’t know what life would be like if they hadn’t been circumcised so how would they know to regret it or not?

LeonMccogh · 04/01/2026 12:03

If people who want to harm their children choose to emigrate because they can’t legally do it here then 👋👋👋

SerendipityJane · 04/01/2026 12:03

Mischance · 04/01/2026 12:02

It beggars belief that people who believe in the existence of an infallible god should at the same time believe that he/she makes such major mistakes in the construction of babies that we need to set about correcting these - what utter nonsense it all is. Nonsense that is allowed in UK law - it is time we got on with outlawing this.

The moment you surrender your agency to a sky fairy, you have blown your critical thinking.

Blushingm · 04/01/2026 12:02

sabababa · 04/01/2026 11:59

As I said, much more difficult operation. I know many circumcised men who were circumcised as babies and not one has ever said they wished their parents had not done it to them.
You're all outraged about something that doesnt affect you and is not coming from or being demanded by the community of circumcised men. Of course there are a tiny number but compared to the billions(!) who are circumcised totally marginal.

How is it more difficult when older? Are you a person who has carried out both?

SerendipityJane · 04/01/2026 12:02

sabababa · 04/01/2026 11:59

As I said, much more difficult operation. I know many circumcised men who were circumcised as babies and not one has ever said they wished their parents had not done it to them.
You're all outraged about something that doesnt affect you and is not coming from or being demanded by the community of circumcised men. Of course there are a tiny number but compared to the billions(!) who are circumcised totally marginal.

You're all outraged about something that doesnt affect you and is not coming from or being demanded by the community of circumcised men.

So you are saying we should ignore child abuse unless it affects us ?

I don't feel I will apologise for that.

Mischance · 04/01/2026 12:02

It beggars belief that people who believe in the existence of an infallible god should at the same time believe that he/she makes such major mistakes in the construction of babies that we need to set about correcting these - what utter nonsense it all is. Nonsense that is allowed in UK law - it is time we got on with outlawing this.

Blushingm · 04/01/2026 12:02

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:00

No, because fgm is totally different to male circumcision in purpose and impact.

whats the purpose of circumcision?

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:00

5MinuteArgument · 04/01/2026 11:38

Surely if we allow cutting off bits of children's bodies because it is the strongly held belief of religious and cultural minorities, we would need to legalise FGM? We would need to reverse the ban on FGM in the UK as banning it is an infringement of the rights of those groups who practice it? Who is in favour of that?

No, because fgm is totally different to male circumcision in purpose and impact.

sabababa · 04/01/2026 11:59

Hoardasurass · 04/01/2026 10:22

The boy/man who regrets not being circumcised can get it done as an adult.
The boy/man who regrets having been circumcised cant have it undone forskins dont grow back.
If its not medically necessary then it shouldn't be done until the male is old enough to decide for themselves

As I said, much more difficult operation. I know many circumcised men who were circumcised as babies and not one has ever said they wished their parents had not done it to them.
You're all outraged about something that doesnt affect you and is not coming from or being demanded by the community of circumcised men. Of course there are a tiny number but compared to the billions(!) who are circumcised totally marginal.

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 04/01/2026 11:47

SerendipityJane · 04/01/2026 11:35

The suggestion that they have no agency here is also worrying.

This was a few years back so maybe things have changed some areas of Judaism.
The practice was common in the white British upper classes until fairly recently. Tongue tie and circumcisions done as a package.

5MinuteArgument · 04/01/2026 11:38

Surely if we allow cutting off bits of children's bodies because it is the strongly held belief of religious and cultural minorities, we would need to legalise FGM? We would need to reverse the ban on FGM in the UK as banning it is an infringement of the rights of those groups who practice it? Who is in favour of that?

SerendipityJane · 04/01/2026 11:35

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 04/01/2026 11:23

A couple of my female colleagues were pleased they had given birth to girls as they were dreading having to have their baby boys mutilated circumcised.

The suggestion that they have no agency here is also worrying.

GAJLY · 04/01/2026 11:26

Carla786 · 04/01/2026 00:57

Realistically, many Jews may probably leave the UK for Israel or maybe US if we do that. Or maybe circumcise on holiday in another country. Would we arrest them for doing that on holiday?

I can't see this ending well for Jews, Muslims, or the baby boys who will probably end up being circumcised anyway

Imo it's much better to try and work with the communities to ensure proper medical insight & pain relief.

The same is done for teenage girls from a certain culture. Their parents can be arrested for it. I have seen some of these girls return from such a “holiday” and the police have been called. No one should be slicing anyone up.

Bestchocolate · 04/01/2026 11:26

But they don't have to have .

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 04/01/2026 11:23

A couple of my female colleagues were pleased they had given birth to girls as they were dreading having to have their baby boys mutilated circumcised.

SerendipityJane · 04/01/2026 11:23

The practicality of enforcing bans hasn't stopped them in other situations.

Mischance · 04/01/2026 11:07

Fear of upsetting a cultural minority should not stop the UK outlawing child mutilation.
Let them be upset.
The UK must stand firm on basic principles.