Is it the begining of the end for Weight loss injections?

I think yiu have a very simplistic view of how WLI work. They do not simply supress appetite.

But it could help with creating better habits

I think in most cases, the benefits are outweighing the cons. There will always be disadvantages- it’s not a wonder drug. On the whole however, it is benefitting most people’s health. I think PP who have highlighted it as more of a tool to aid weight loss, curb appetite and reset it are on the mark. WLI need to be combined with small, healthy, balanced meals and some exercise. It’s a tool in your toolbox. Thus, it’s how they are used. Not that they exist.

The data says otherwise. People gain the weight back when stopping the jabs. Switching your appetite off artificially is not a long term solution imo.

Then that is an iresponsible pharmacist. Mine is great.

Mine too. He messages and asks relevant questions. Every so often we have a video call before the order is processed.

Any patient/HCP relationship is subject to the patient being honest.

But WLI does not = an extreme diet. It may involve, for some, a significant change in habits (though as many have attested, they ate healthily before) but the point is that those habits become ingrained and normalised over the months and so as you gradually reduce a dose, you can.maintain. there will always be idiots who competitively under eat, or lie to get the meds but so long as they are adults, maybe we just need to accept that. We let people drink, smoke, eat MacD, drive fast cars, ski off piste, jump out of planes, climb Everest. If people want to abuse these meds and are paying for the privilege, maybe let them. The answer is not to withdraw a revolutionary and game changing drug suited to the issues that 21st Century living has presented us with.

muscle growth and bone degeneration and lack of nutrition

I would assume this is people who aren't overweight enough to need it and end up not eating properly or exercising. That seems pretty obvious to me. Those doing it properly by eating smaller but nutritious meals and keeping active shouldn't have a problem.
So the injection itself isn't the issue it's how people use it. Your misunderstood what they're implying then come to spout it as gospel like you know something no one else does when it isn't that hard to work out what they meant.

Still time to ask for this to be removed.

The rules are bmi over 30 or over 27 with certain conditions as the people who make them have decided the risks of this are greater than the risks of weight loss injections. I'm not sure why people think their opinions or random anecdotes trump the actual data. They're an incredible health intervention on a population level. They will mean people you care about will live longer, healthier lives. This should be something to celebrate

I have pcos. I know the struggle of weight loss. The weight loss jabs suppress appetite. They don’t do anything magical with metabolisms. Many people have success losing weight initially. It’s maintenance that is a struggle. People who go on extreme diets will never find success. Lifestyle factors need to be totally addressed. My appetite has completely transformed in recent years. I genuinely thought I would need to get psychological help for my food cravings. But I found that changing how I viewed food ie it’s literally just fuel actually lead to my appetite decreasing naturally. My body adjusted. This artificial tool to reduce weight loss is just not the perfect solution that it is being marketed as. Good luck to everyone on a health journey. But with most things shortcuts are really just longer and more harmful in the long run.

@AInightingale there is a huge criminal black market in fake medication which is one source of people getting weight loss injections. Of course what those injections actually contain is not known, and could be dangerous and unhygienic. Very silly to buy from this kind of black market supplier. Then there are people who illegally sell on genuine medication, and then a small number who use the less rigorous online pharmacies and make a concerted deliberate effort to mislead.

It’s much easier to buy cocaine than mounjaro btw. You get free delivery within the hour and no one asks for a photo.

Mine does. They call me up on a video chat every couple of months.

Mounjaro is the best thing that’s happened to me ever. A cure, finally. No more crying in the hotel room before weddings or refusing see friends because I’ll ruin my diet.

I know someone who has a fat friend who buys it but sells doses to other people who definitely do not need it.

The pharmacy have been told but it’s very difficult to prove that the buyer is doing this as he is losing weight steadily.

Meanwhile a friend of a friend looks like she’s dying as she’s so thin. People make stupid decisions when they let vanity get the better of them.

I don’t think this should mean that morbidly obese people shouldn’t be able to get them though.

Nothing, in and of itself. But if you go back and read the actual post I made, you’ll see what I mean by irresponsible use.

Some suppliers film you weighing yourself. Perhaps the person has some 5kg dumbbells down the back of their trousers.

But anyone can have an unanticipated reaction to any drug. That's how they work. Some people are allergic to penicillin. It's unfortunate but there is no way to actually avoid the possibility of this. Out of 8 billion people on the planet, yes, some of them will have a body chemistry that doesn't sit well with certain meds. That doesn't mean they should all be banned.

@Nannyogganny I get an NHS prescription for my high BP tablets. No one monitors me for that. I have a once yearly text based interaction with a pharmacist where they ask for my home BP readings and then re-approve my medication. Or, do a telephone call if they have any questions. But usually not. The last two times they didn’t ask me a single thing about side effects, my general health, my weight… But, apparently my private prescription for Mounjaro needs to be monitored in a way that the NHS doesn’t attempt?? Despite the fact that I have to give information about my health, weight, side effects etc each time I reorder Mounjaro, and periodically I have to upload new photos.

Baffled by how easy it seems, I meant.

What's irresponsible about taking a drug that's prescribed for me to manage my health? Do you tell other people with long term conditions they should stop taking their medication when they're feeling better?

Well I think online suppliers should be doing more checks that their patients don’t have low muscle mass. Perhaps a dexa scan every year if you want to take long term could solve this?

I will when you explain why you’ve pulled that one part out of my post, completely out of context?

How are you confused. It is so easy to access the drug.

You apply online and you have to submit a photo of your weighing scales.

So so so easy to fake.

You honestly think that for people who have struggled with obesity for decades just need to try harder?

There are many reasons why people are obese, but statistics show that it is rare for anyone to lose a significant amount of weight and maintain it because of the complex reasons behind it in the first place!

Like every other WLI thread this is just the same - a bingo card of wanting fat people to suffer and worrying about stupid vain people taking them when they’re already a healthy BMI.