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Anyone know about Irene Adler in Sherlock Holmes

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ChilliMochaCoco · 02/01/2026 13:17

I'm posting here for traffic.
Dd13 has to do an English essay about Irene Adler, a character in one of the Sherlock Holmes books. She is convinced that there is a Jacobean setting and I said it is a Victorian setting. Can anyone with more literary knowledge tell me what the Jacobean link (if any) there could be ?
At one stage dd mixed up Conan Doyle with Shakespeare so I'm not sure what else could be mixed up.
Dd said this what her teacher told her it is Jacobean but she won't see her until next week to get clarity. That's also when the essay is due in.

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FFSToEverythingSince2020 · 02/01/2026 17:47

Toddlerteaplease · 02/01/2026 14:14

Tell her to read it! I’ve always wondered why Irene Adler escapes abroad after her marriage. The king was no threat to her once she told him she’d take no more action.

SEVERAL SPOILERS. In her letter to Holmes,
she claims it’s because she doesn’t want to face Holmes directly in a battle of wits, though I think it more likely she was either just going on her honeymoon (I thought it likely they would return after a brief sojourn, as her new husband is a a solicitor) or was unsure how the king would react and chose to be away in safety. She specifically says: “We both thought the best resource was flight, when pursued by so formidable an antagonist; so you will find the nest empty when you call to-morrow.” Make of that what you will.

cariadlet · 02/01/2026 15:46

FFSToEverythingSince2020 · 02/01/2026 15:08

It IS the one with Joan Hickson. I’ve only seen one of the Geraldine McEwan ones; the acting was just fine, but I started with Joan Hickson as Miss Marple and she’s become Miss Marple in my head. If you like Agatha Christie, I believe they also have adaptations of “Why Didn’t They Ask Evans” and “And Then There Were None” is on the BBC iPlayer, I think? FABULOUS cast in the latter; Charles Dance, Aidan Turner (he doesn't hurt the eyes much, does he), Miranda Richardson, Sam Neill, Anna Maxwell Martin (I thought her acting was genius in “The Bletchley Circle,” and “Death Comes to Pemberley,” which I honestly thought was better than the book), etc.

Lots to look forward to when I want something to binge on. Thanks

NYE26 · 02/01/2026 15:28

HoppityBun · 02/01/2026 15:20

They’re often on BBC R4X

Thanks!

surreygirly · 02/01/2026 15:22

NYE26 · 02/01/2026 14:21

He was brilliant! My favourite Sherlock Holmes by far.

Absolutely

HoppityBun · 02/01/2026 15:20

NYE26 · 02/01/2026 15:02

I haven't listened to those, I'll have to give them a go!

They’re often on BBC R4X

FFSToEverythingSince2020 · 02/01/2026 15:08

cariadlet · 02/01/2026 14:36

That's good to know. I love the Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes.
Which version of Miss Marple do they have? I love the ones with Joan Hickson but I'm not keen on the Geraldine McKewan ones.

It IS the one with Joan Hickson. I’ve only seen one of the Geraldine McEwan ones; the acting was just fine, but I started with Joan Hickson as Miss Marple and she’s become Miss Marple in my head. If you like Agatha Christie, I believe they also have adaptations of “Why Didn’t They Ask Evans” and “And Then There Were None” is on the BBC iPlayer, I think? FABULOUS cast in the latter; Charles Dance, Aidan Turner (he doesn't hurt the eyes much, does he), Miranda Richardson, Sam Neill, Anna Maxwell Martin (I thought her acting was genius in “The Bletchley Circle,” and “Death Comes to Pemberley,” which I honestly thought was better than the book), etc.

Milkbloo · 02/01/2026 15:08

Jeremy Brett is outrageously good. Out acts everyone! His Irene was Gayle Hunnicut… serene and intelligent.

NYE26 · 02/01/2026 15:02

HoppityBun · 02/01/2026 14:40

Can I speak up for the wonderful Clive Merrison, who recorded every single story plus some extras? First with Michael Williams as Watson and after his sad death with Andrew Sachs. Truly excellent and adapted by Bert Coules.

I haven't listened to those, I'll have to give them a go!

cariadlet · 02/01/2026 14:47

HoppityBun · 02/01/2026 14:40

Can I speak up for the wonderful Clive Merrison, who recorded every single story plus some extras? First with Michael Williams as Watson and after his sad death with Andrew Sachs. Truly excellent and adapted by Bert Coules.

Agreed. I've got them in my Audible library and they're excellent.

HoppityBun · 02/01/2026 14:40

NYE26 · 02/01/2026 14:21

He was brilliant! My favourite Sherlock Holmes by far.

Can I speak up for the wonderful Clive Merrison, who recorded every single story plus some extras? First with Michael Williams as Watson and after his sad death with Andrew Sachs. Truly excellent and adapted by Bert Coules.

cariadlet · 02/01/2026 14:36

FFSToEverythingSince2020 · 02/01/2026 14:32

They have the whole collection on ITVX! I downloaded it specifically because of this, and their Miss Marple and Poirot collections.

That's good to know. I love the Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes.
Which version of Miss Marple do they have? I love the ones with Joan Hickson but I'm not keen on the Geraldine McKewan ones.

FFSToEverythingSince2020 · 02/01/2026 14:32

NYE26 · 02/01/2026 14:21

He was brilliant! My favourite Sherlock Holmes by far.

They have the whole collection on ITVX! I downloaded it specifically because of this, and their Miss Marple and Poirot collections.

NYE26 · 02/01/2026 14:21

FFSToEverythingSince2020 · 02/01/2026 14:01

Jeremy Brett was such an amazing Sherlock Holmes. I loved him in adaptations of The Hound of the Baskervilles and The Last Vampyre (I know a lot of people really hate his performance in The Last Vampyre, but I have nostalgia since I got to stay up late as a bairn to watch it with my grandad, who is gone now).

He was brilliant! My favourite Sherlock Holmes by far.

Puppylucky · 02/01/2026 14:18

Out of interest @Millytante what is so very wrong with the AI summary you shared? Admittedly I'm a bit sketchy on Jacobean drama but the comparisons drawn seemed relatively plausible - not a goady question, I'm generally interested!

Toddlerteaplease · 02/01/2026 14:14

Tell her to read it! I’ve always wondered why Irene Adler escapes abroad after her marriage. The king was no threat to her once she told him she’d take no more action.

ChilliMochaCoco · 02/01/2026 14:13

Thank you all.
Dd has read a Scandal in Bohemia and told me the outline of the whole story as they read it in school.
However she also just told me they are also reading The Tempest. I told her that that was set in the Jacobean era. She then admitted she got them mixed up.
Thank you MN for confirming info to me.

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FFSToEverythingSince2020 · 02/01/2026 14:01

HilaryThorpe · 02/01/2026 13:43

It is only a short story so not difficult to read. If you can watch A Scandal in Bohemia in the Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes Granada TV series, it is the best ever. Might be on YouTube?

Jeremy Brett was such an amazing Sherlock Holmes. I loved him in adaptations of The Hound of the Baskervilles and The Last Vampyre (I know a lot of people really hate his performance in The Last Vampyre, but I have nostalgia since I got to stay up late as a bairn to watch it with my grandad, who is gone now).

DoIdriveaVauxhallZafira · 02/01/2026 14:01

cariadlet · 02/01/2026 13:55

I think they're all on itv player, I watched them a few months ago

cariadlet · 02/01/2026 13:55

HilaryThorpe · 02/01/2026 13:43

It is only a short story so not difficult to read. If you can watch A Scandal in Bohemia in the Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes Granada TV series, it is the best ever. Might be on YouTube?

www.dailymotion.com/video/x7rdl5f

Millytante · 02/01/2026 13:54

HoppityBun · 02/01/2026 13:46

Ah! Perhaps AI has the answers

AI Overview

"A Scandal in Bohemia" shares several thematic elements with Jacobean drama (c. 1603–1625), particularly in its focus on political corruption, intense deception, and the moral ambiguity of its characters
. While written in the Victorian era, the story echoes Jacobean cynicism regarding power and the chaotic, morally gray world.
Key Jacobean drama themes present in the story include:
Political Corruption and Intrigue: Jacobean drama often revolved around complex plots within the court or involving high-ranking officials. In "A Scandal in Bohemia," the plot hinges on the fear that the King of Bohemia’s reputation and impending marriage will be ruined by a compromising photograph, threatening European history.
Disguise and Deception: A hallmark of the era, the story is saturated with characters hiding their true identities. Holmes acts as a groom and a clergyman, while Irene Adler disguises herself as a man.
The Machiavellian "Ends Justify the Means" Logic: Jacobean characters often operated outside conventional morality to achieve their goals. Holmes demonstrates this by encouraging illegal acts, such as staging a fake fight and throwing a smoke rocket into Adler's house, because the "cause is excellent".
Cynical View of Class and Power: Similar to Jacobean satire, the story contrasts the corrupt, weak King with the superior intelligence of the commoner, Irene Adler. The King’s elevated status makes him foolish, while Adler is described as having a "soul of steel" and a "mind of the most resolute of men".
Ambiguous Morality: There is a blurred line between hero and villain. Adler is not a villain, but a woman exercising power over a king, and she ultimately outwits the investigator. Similarly, Holmes's methods are morally questionable, fitting the cynical atmosphere of Jacobean work.
These themes reflect the darker, more cynical, and complex nature of Jacobean drama, where the world is not easily divided into black and white.

What magnificent proof of the grave dangers in using these confounded AI’d Google summaries!
It twatted itself, and veered off into the thickets of a different subject. Hahaha!

I just hope to God it was not the teacher herself who tried to shove this story into a Jacobean frame, having genned up using this load of AI twaddle.
(I also hope the next essay/project DD is given isn’t an actual Jacobean play 😳🙀)

BauhausOfEliott · 02/01/2026 13:48

She’s looked it up on some AI search engine and got a confusing set of information in response that she doesn’t understand.

HoppityBun · 02/01/2026 13:46

Ah! Perhaps AI has the answers

AI Overview

"A Scandal in Bohemia" shares several thematic elements with Jacobean drama (c. 1603–1625), particularly in its focus on political corruption, intense deception, and the moral ambiguity of its characters
. While written in the Victorian era, the story echoes Jacobean cynicism regarding power and the chaotic, morally gray world.
Key Jacobean drama themes present in the story include:
Political Corruption and Intrigue: Jacobean drama often revolved around complex plots within the court or involving high-ranking officials. In "A Scandal in Bohemia," the plot hinges on the fear that the King of Bohemia’s reputation and impending marriage will be ruined by a compromising photograph, threatening European history.
Disguise and Deception: A hallmark of the era, the story is saturated with characters hiding their true identities. Holmes acts as a groom and a clergyman, while Irene Adler disguises herself as a man.
The Machiavellian "Ends Justify the Means" Logic: Jacobean characters often operated outside conventional morality to achieve their goals. Holmes demonstrates this by encouraging illegal acts, such as staging a fake fight and throwing a smoke rocket into Adler's house, because the "cause is excellent".
Cynical View of Class and Power: Similar to Jacobean satire, the story contrasts the corrupt, weak King with the superior intelligence of the commoner, Irene Adler. The King’s elevated status makes him foolish, while Adler is described as having a "soul of steel" and a "mind of the most resolute of men".
Ambiguous Morality: There is a blurred line between hero and villain. Adler is not a villain, but a woman exercising power over a king, and she ultimately outwits the investigator. Similarly, Holmes's methods are morally questionable, fitting the cynical atmosphere of Jacobean work.
These themes reflect the darker, more cynical, and complex nature of Jacobean drama, where the world is not easily divided into black and white.

HilaryThorpe · 02/01/2026 13:43

It is only a short story so not difficult to read. If you can watch A Scandal in Bohemia in the Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes Granada TV series, it is the best ever. Might be on YouTube?

DarkEyedSailor · 02/01/2026 13:42

It would be useful to read the story.

HoppityBun · 02/01/2026 13:41

At one stage dd mixed up Conan Doyle with Shakespeare so I'm not sure what else could be mixed up. almost anything if there’s been a mix up like that.

Dd said this what her teacher told her it is Jacobean : the teacher told her what is Jacobean? There’s nothing Jacobean in the storyline.

Perhaps the teacher was making a comparison between plot devices or themes? If you google Jacobean style drama you might get some ideas, but it won’t make up for mishearing or getting the wrong end of the stick. Could DD contact someone else in her class?

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