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To be confused by the two working parent set up

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Angels1111 · 30/12/2025 11:26

As I return to work from my Christmas break I return to the same conundrum I've been having since kids were born...
...that is confusion at how to handle my multiple roles in life.

I can't help but think that in my mother's generation they had to do the same stuff as us, but with no work. And, there was more of a community to fall back on too - she could get the neighbours to watch us if needed, relatives had more time to visit and play with us, etc. But she had time, to keep herself healthy and to keep us healthy.

Now it feels like a lot of us work in careers which are not conducive to taking long career breaks or going part time. Or, we can't afford to. So we end up juggling everything that comes with having a family with work. My partner does lots but it feels like two people splitting three jobs between them (work, children, house) is more of a stretch and a juggle and I wish every day that I could just focus on the house and kids.

I feel resentful that if I hire a nanny or a baby sitter or get family to help, they'd just play with the kids, feed them lunch, and maybe wash up after lunch wheeras I'd be doing all of that plus the food shop, house cleaning, admin, cooking dinner, washing, homework etc etc simultaneously, and if I wanted to hire someone to truly replace my roles it would take 2-3 people just to do the home stuff let alone work.

But this could just be how I'm handling life! I have a chronic condition so potentially have less energy than the general population, I do handle it a lot better when I'm not flaring.

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SuziQuinto · 30/12/2025 13:03

I don't know why you're being so aggressive, @Clockyclockz ! It's only a discussion 😄!
No, I'm not going to provide "statistics"!
😂

Angels1111 · 30/12/2025 13:02

zigazigaaaing · 30/12/2025 13:00

I couldn’t echo this enough. OP I’ve been where you are now and felt like this whole thing is a trick. To balance a career, everything the children need, plus the house and look after yourself can feel like an endurance test where the person who pays the price is yourself as the mother. All I can say is as this previous poster put so well, take shortcuts where you can. Tea one night can just be beans on toast. If one week is busy at work and they don’t do their spellings, it’s not the end of the world. Try and see the positives, that unlike our mothers we have more financial freedom and stimulation through work. Think how much you are providing for your family and role modelling to them. If you can do these shifts, things do feel easier and it does get easier as they get older

Thank you, needed to hear this! Especially on the spellings, I feel so guilty if I let stuff like that slip as it feels like I'm jeaporsiaing my DCs future :(
My friend took a (9-10 year) career break to get her kids through the 11+ as she said it would set them up for life and I was like gosh that's commitment

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Clockyclockz · 30/12/2025 13:01

@SuziQuinto your reply to my post makes no sense?

Most mothers in the past didn’t work full time but feel free to provide statistics that they did? Also are you saying that the things I posted about a village are untrue?

SuziQuinto · 30/12/2025 13:01

EezyOozy · 30/12/2025 12:59

Not as many did.

But many did. And had to.
No "golden age" for most women.

HaveYouFedTheFish · 30/12/2025 13:00

Angels1111 · 30/12/2025 11:26

As I return to work from my Christmas break I return to the same conundrum I've been having since kids were born...
...that is confusion at how to handle my multiple roles in life.

I can't help but think that in my mother's generation they had to do the same stuff as us, but with no work. And, there was more of a community to fall back on too - she could get the neighbours to watch us if needed, relatives had more time to visit and play with us, etc. But she had time, to keep herself healthy and to keep us healthy.

Now it feels like a lot of us work in careers which are not conducive to taking long career breaks or going part time. Or, we can't afford to. So we end up juggling everything that comes with having a family with work. My partner does lots but it feels like two people splitting three jobs between them (work, children, house) is more of a stretch and a juggle and I wish every day that I could just focus on the house and kids.

I feel resentful that if I hire a nanny or a baby sitter or get family to help, they'd just play with the kids, feed them lunch, and maybe wash up after lunch wheeras I'd be doing all of that plus the food shop, house cleaning, admin, cooking dinner, washing, homework etc etc simultaneously, and if I wanted to hire someone to truly replace my roles it would take 2-3 people just to do the home stuff let alone work.

But this could just be how I'm handling life! I have a chronic condition so potentially have less energy than the general population, I do handle it a lot better when I'm not flaring.

50% of mothers worked outside the home in the mid 1970s, rising gradually over the intervening decades to just over 75% now.

I think your generational assumptions are a bit off, especially if you were born more recently than the 1970s.

zigazigaaaing · 30/12/2025 13:00

Angels1111 · 30/12/2025 11:53

Thank you, needed to hear that, especially on the work front and that there is a light at the end of the tunnel!

I couldn’t echo this enough. OP I’ve been where you are now and felt like this whole thing is a trick. To balance a career, everything the children need, plus the house and look after yourself can feel like an endurance test where the person who pays the price is yourself as the mother. All I can say is as this previous poster put so well, take shortcuts where you can. Tea one night can just be beans on toast. If one week is busy at work and they don’t do their spellings, it’s not the end of the world. Try and see the positives, that unlike our mothers we have more financial freedom and stimulation through work. Think how much you are providing for your family and role modelling to them. If you can do these shifts, things do feel easier and it does get easier as they get older

Angels1111 · 30/12/2025 13:00

SuziQuinto · 30/12/2025 12:57

You only work 3 days?
Definitely make them 3 full days and have 4 off.

I work 3 days spread over 5, so I can pick DC up from school (2pm finish for one of them) but it might be better to figure out someone else to pick them up so I can wear fewer "hats" per day if you see what I mean.

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Catsandcwtches · 30/12/2025 13:00

I think as big a change is that it’s harder for kids to casually play out now. The roads are so much more dangerous and there are fewer kids to play with. It would make a huge difference to me if my kids had several friends locally whose doors they could easily knock on and play together. Instead I am often stuck doing the playing as no they don’t want to play for twelve hours on their own with no input.

AllTheChaos · 30/12/2025 12:59

Loads of things to consider:

  1. The myth of mothers not working outside the home in the past is just that, a myth. Not all did to be sure, but many did. Any who weren’t rich and whose husbands left, for starters! Many working class women worked part time regardless, cleaning, taking in laundry etc. My grandma was born in the 1920s and her mum always worked full time. Granny married and was pt when the children were small, ft otherwise.
  2. Leisure was a bit of a myth. My granny never stopped, when she was at home she was always cooking, cleaning, making or mending clothes, hauling water (no running water) or wood for the fire, or doing laundry by hand etc. No TV, just the radio on whilst she worked. She still had time for fun sometimes of course, but the expectations around leisure time or ‘me’ time just weren’t there.
  3. ‘Parenting’ as done now wasn’t a thing. May women, my mum included, wouldn’t have had time to be arranging play dates, overseeing homework, taking children to clubs etc. Outside of school they were sent out to entertain themselves.
  4. Geographical mobility. People moving to find work / better work has always happened, but has been much more common since more people started going away to university. It means more people not living near family, and not having that support network to tap into. I’m in London and hardly anyone has family here.
  5. House prices and rents are so high that many families who would, a generation ago, have been able to afford to live on one or one and a half wages (eg a teacher) absolutely couldn’t today. So many of those professional jobs do not now afford the lifestyle they once would. It means people spend the time and money training, then have all of the extra stress and hours to work, but without the rewards, which include the money for the big house and help therein (cleaner, mothers help, one parent working less etc)
  6. Much later retirement ages. If grandparents were mostly retiring at 60 (women) and 65 (men) - or earlier if they had been doing jobs that allowed it financially due to relatively high wages or an early occupational pension, they still had the time and energy to get involved as active grandparents. I won’t be able to retire before 70, and that’s only if my mortgage is paid off (see also house prices, above!). If my daughter has children whilst I am in my 60s I won’t be able to help much even if she’s living nearby, and by the time I can afford to retire I will be old and exhausted. So many women in my mum’s generation (she’s in her 70s) retired in their 50s and did voluntary work, visited their grown up children and helped with grandchildren etc, my generation not so much as we are all still on the never-ending work treadmill.
  7. Further to all of the above, people are having children later. My granny was 50 when I was born. If my DD has her first child at the age I had her, I will be in my mid-70s when I become a grandparent! That’s a huge difference in terms of energy available, and just the sheer likelihood of being alive to help with grandchildren. I’m more likely to be heading into a care home than I am to be able to help wrangling toddlers at that point!
hyacinth1973 · 30/12/2025 12:59

Passaggressfedup · 30/12/2025 11:40

Well out society doesn't value the 'village' intervention any longer. Parents want to control everything. Grand parents are glorified baby sitter with a long list of what to do and not do. No-one is allowed any kind of discipline however mild it is. Everything going wrong is open to blame culture.

So indeed, it's no surprise others don't care to be involved. Parents can't have it both ways.

Crock of shit

MadinMarch · 30/12/2025 12:59

Theeyeballsinthesky · 30/12/2025 11:53

I can't help but think that in my mother's generation they had to do the same stuff as us, but with no work

id love to know when this mythical time was! My mum is in her 70s and worked full time with 3 children. I'm in my 50s and work full time and always have

This!
It's completely made up!
Women were in the workplace full-time everywhere- teachers, social workers, banks, shops of all sorts, secretarial and other admin roles, factories, nurseries etc etc etc.
They had to work, just like the majority of women today. No top up benefits for working women of any sort existed back then either! No assistance with nursery fees either. This is never mentioned on mumsnet!

EezyOozy · 30/12/2025 12:59

SuziQuinto · 30/12/2025 12:57

No. As we've said, Mums have always worked.

Not as many did.

Angels1111 · 30/12/2025 12:59

Alittlefrustrated · 30/12/2025 12:43

3 siblings 56 - 65 here. Dad worked fulltime and mam worked partime. We had, and expected, a much simpler lifestyle growing up. No eating out, no take aways, very little paid for entertainment/activities, one caravan holiday a year, much less "stuff". Council housing (affordable and good quality, on 1.5 wages and lower expectations in terms of lifestyle). No help with childcare, at all,despite large extended families.They had their own families, and grandparents weren't expected to do it. No funding for childcare.
Women were trapped financially - many not in what I would call "stable" marriages. Many abusive.
It really wasn't a golden age for women.
There hasn't been a golden age for women.
There is unlikely to be a golden age for women, but avoiding being financially dependent on a man, is crucial, imo.

Very good point re being trapped financially. I do think some of the many arguments as couples we have are because we're so stretched but there is no denying that if a relationship was bad back then women had very few options. My Mum, for example, was only "allowed" by her family to study things "suitable for a girl" like typing or nursing, but they were not jobs that she could have done to support herself had she been in an abusive relationship

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SuziQuinto · 30/12/2025 12:57

Clockyclockz · 30/12/2025 12:42

The village thing is due in part to more mothers working so less time to foster a community, working hours & demands in general, longer commutes & people living further away from their families. Plus everyone neglects to mention all the rules and regulation changes eg parenting is different now vs the past.

No. As we've said, Mums have always worked.

SuziQuinto · 30/12/2025 12:57

Angels1111 · 30/12/2025 12:55

Yeh I'm reflecting more and more that this is the issue rather than the actual stuff I'm doing. I currently work 3 days spread over 5 so I think slightly tweaking that to 3 full days and having some spare time would help, but not when my pain is like this :(

You only work 3 days?
Definitely make them 3 full days and have 4 off.

Clockyclockz · 30/12/2025 12:56

I think hybrid, remote working and flexible/condensed hours have made a huge difference but obviously these aren’t available to all parents.

hardhatson · 30/12/2025 12:56

It is relevant that you’re Indian, your parents/grandparents probably had a totally different culture where women were predominantly housewives. I think you’re likely romanticising the female household role from back then tbf, it’s not like traditional indian women had a lot of choice or freedom or respect!

for me, both of my parents worked. My mum was a high earner throughout with a high flying career, so to me work has always been a normal part of life and not something I want to relinquish.

You sound like you dislike your job, just leave it then? Find a new job that suits you more? Ultimately your employer can replace you, so if your heart isn’t in it, someone else may very well be happy in your role. No point stressing yourself out for a job you dislike trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole.

Clockyclockz · 30/12/2025 12:55

@Chrysanthemum5 its about wider statistics though. Everyone I knew worked p/t and not until their dc were properly in school but I obviously know some mothers outside my bubble worked full time….

Angels1111 · 30/12/2025 12:55

parakeet · 30/12/2025 12:51

I think the issue for you OP is that you are bedridden some days. (Sorry to hear that.) That would throw out anyone's childcare/work balancing act.)

I read somewhere (sorry can't remember where) that women working once they have children is not some modern thing. Poorer women have always combined children with paid employment. It was just in the middle classes where it was a badge of honour for a man to be able to support his wife not to work.

Personally, I found a perfect balance came from me working 3 days a week when they were very small, leaving two days for childcare combined with some housework plus all those jobs that can take over your weekend otherwise.

Yes, my career progress stopped during that time but it was only about 7 years. And no reason you couldn't get same effect with both partners each working 4 days a week.

Yeh I'm reflecting more and more that this is the issue rather than the actual stuff I'm doing. I currently work 3 days spread over 5 so I think slightly tweaking that to 3 full days and having some spare time would help, but not when my pain is like this :(

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Chrysanthemum5 · 30/12/2025 12:54

When I was growing up every woman had a job outside the home. I really don't recognise this ideal of only one parent working or just wasn't the norm for anyone I knew

TheMoth · 30/12/2025 12:53

Most of my friends' mums didn't work when we pre school. But they all edged back in in ways- bit of hairdressing; clothing repair; shop; bar work. The difference was mainly that they lacked choices and a career to go back to, so they had to do whatever was on offer around childcare and housework, whilst the men got to go to work and come home again. By the time I was 12, both parents were ft.

My grandmother worked through 7 kids. Her mil and then the older girls did the childcare.

Mine are teens now and have been trained to help around the house. I'd say it was tough for 10 years, but that's not actually a huge amount of time in an entire life. I'm glad I got to have and keep a career and a dh who respects that rather than live my mum's life.

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TheMoth · 30/12/2025 12:53

Most of my friends' mums didn't work when we pre school. But they all edged back in in ways- bit of hairdressing; clothing repair; shop; bar work. The difference was mainly that they lacked choices and a career to go back to, so they had to do whatever was on offer around childcare and housework, whilst the men got to go to work and come home again. By the time I was 12, both parents were ft.

My grandmother worked through 7 kids. Her mil and then the older girls did the childcare.

Mine are teens now and have been trained to help around the house. I'd say it was tough for 10 years, but that's not actually a huge amount of time in an entire life. I'm glad I got to have and keep a career and a dh who respects that rather than live my mum's life.

Angels1111 · 30/12/2025 12:53

RitaFires · 30/12/2025 12:49

I think that expectations around parenting and actively supervising children have changed so much that the old ideas of the village don't apply. I'm 41 and I would go out and play and walk to and from various friend's houses, our parents didn't necessarily know where we were and what we were doing. I remember going places with other families where children sat on each others laps and some sat in the boot, completely illegal now. My brother used to be sent to the shop several busy streets away to buy cigarettes for my Nana, he was 7, that absolutely wouldn't fly today.

Oh I remember many kids in the car! Brother on my lap, someone at my feet, all seats full. Was always supervised though. My husband used to go off and play football all day and just come home when it got dark, from the age of 5!

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Clockyclockz · 30/12/2025 12:53

Housing is having a huge impact on families disposable income again costs are higher va the past.

Is it any wonder birth rates are so low?

Clockyclockz · 30/12/2025 12:51

@RitaFires exactly, society expects dc to be supervised at all times & there is so much more judgement. This was not the case in the past.

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