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LandladyofTheValley · 28/12/2025 10:33

My BIL has been here since 23rd.
In that time, he has done absolutely fuck all.
I've been working solidly at one of the busiest times of year along with DH.
BIL is unemployed and it was effectively "our turn" to host him (seems to be our turn far more than the other 3 in laws).
He is sleeping on the sofa, but has left his dirty clothes all over my living room.
He did absolutely zero towards the Christmas lunch. Not even a bottle of wine was given. No gifts to us or our Teen DCs.
Has done not one bit of tidying up (I did that on the one day our business was closed on Boxing Day and then spent 7 hours doing important paperwork).
He lives alone so more than capable of cooking.
Had the audacity to bitch at my DD (18) for "not helping your parents enough" when she had just tidied the kitchen and DS had done the laundry. The lazy prick hasn't so much as picked a wet towel off the bathroom floor after himself.
The final two straws- tells me last night whilst pissed that he "wouldn't be able to get away with it at SIL's homes.
Got up this morning and he's clearly been helping himself to food in the night and had also found a bottle of very nice, expensive wine I was saving for my day off when we have a nice meal as we are closed for two days. And a bottle of Bucks Fizz.
DH is a useless prat and it will be left to me to tell it's time to go home. Then I will probably be treated as even more mean by the poxy SIL who all think it's fine for me to deal with him but none of the 3 of them want him at theirs.
Please tell me I'm alone.
And yes I'm about to give DH hell along with DD who is sick of the tosser as well

OP posts:
FollowSpot · 28/12/2025 12:09

He needs to tell him NOW, in time to get a train, before yet another lunch.

Get him out of bed!

If he leaves it to later this afternoon there will be no transport a,d XXX other excuses.

OP - seriously - tell him now.

"OK, BIL, it's Sunday, the end of the weekend, we're all back to work so best you catch the XXX time train home".

AgnesX · 28/12/2025 12:07

LandladyofTheValley · 28/12/2025 10:38

Yes very much so
He's 61 would you believe and been single since his divorce over 20 years ago

I do wonder why not!

xAwaywiththefairiesx · 28/12/2025 12:04

I used to speak up and drown realised it was utterly futile and pointless.

Don't speak up. Speak down. Block block block. Ignore ignore ignore.

LandladyofTheValley · 28/12/2025 12:03

With the SILs I have done since January 2023. They had an argument with me because I mentioned DD being a certain age and they swore she was 4 years younger and I was wrong. I'm not kidding. I got told by all three who ganged up that I, who gave birth to her, was getting her age wrong. DD intervened about it. DH had to say to them they were wrong not me, but they didn't apologise. DD also barely speaks to them.

That's what they're like. It would be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous. They are always right.

DD has just collared DH and told him "stick that lazy knob on the train today or else".
He said he will be and is going to tell him when he wakes up.

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xAwaywiththefairiesx · 28/12/2025 12:02

LandladyofTheValley · 28/12/2025 11:53

Yes exactly that.
MIL passed away before I met DH. But she was very very traditional, the girls did the housework, the boys worked.
And the SILs have kept that to a certain extent, except they all also have full time jobs. So they're doing the housework, cooking, shopping etc and working, whilst their DHs do sweet FA.
In our house, it's a different dynamic, I'm from a different generation to them (age gap) and we share responsibility. When we cooked Christmas lunch, we had our bits to do and it made life easier as we co-run our business. And despite his comments to DD, she and DS very much pitch in, whilst doing school work as well. They know our hours are long and both are self sufficient (which I'm proud of) they do the shopping and chores without being pushed into it.
He won't change because he's been pandered to. It's not his fault he is divorced, it's the ex-wife at fault. They didn't like her either.
I just don't want to cause a huge, ongoing, situation with the 3 DSils. They are genuinely bullies and I avoid them at all costs and have done for years. They're rude, obnoxious and if you dare to disagree, well, you won't hear the end of it.
I prefer to keep our of it.
And yes, that may make me seem weak to some on this thread, but trust me, it's self preservation and not wanting to make an already awkward relationship worse.
I used to speak up and drown realised it was utterly futile and pointless. And it's not just me, it's the incoming partners and wives of the siblings and even the nieces and nephews.
They are a pain in the arse.

Oh and yes, DH has promised me more wine. He has said he is going to tell him to go home today and why. He will also be telling the elder SIL we won't be hosting again because he's been utterly useless this year, worse than ever.

Why do you give one single solitary fuck about upsetting the SILs and falling out with them? they bring absolutely nothing positive to your life.

You don't need to deal with a "huge, ongoing, situation". Just cut them out of your life entirely. Do not listen to them or take their shit. Block them on everything, refuse to answer the phone or door to them, and just act like they don't exist. They don't like you. You don't like them. What is the point in having any sort of relationship with them or caring what they think? Life is far too short to have anyone in your life that you do not want in your life.

How dare they pressure you into having someone in your home that treats you this way? Who the fuck do they think they are?!

Seriously, OP, it sounds to me like you've put up with them far too long. 3 decades is a lifetime. Do not give them any more hours of your life. You do have that choice, I promise.

SwanRivers · 28/12/2025 11:56

I just don't want to cause a huge, ongoing, situation with the 3 DSils. They are genuinely bullies and I avoid them at all costs and have done for years. They're rude, obnoxious and if you dare to disagree, well, you won't hear the end of it.

Oh well, you'd have nothing to lose then 🤷‍♂️

Also, it's absolutely fine to go no contact with them given that they're genuine bullies.

I can't for the life of me work out why you haven't.

LandladyofTheValley · 28/12/2025 11:53

xAwaywiththefairiesx · 28/12/2025 11:36

My mum would say this.

She once told me how lucky I am that I have a DH who changes nappies.

I asked if he was lucky to have a wife that changes nappies. She was shocked and confused and immediately said "no!!" and refused to discuss it further.

Yes exactly that.
MIL passed away before I met DH. But she was very very traditional, the girls did the housework, the boys worked.
And the SILs have kept that to a certain extent, except they all also have full time jobs. So they're doing the housework, cooking, shopping etc and working, whilst their DHs do sweet FA.
In our house, it's a different dynamic, I'm from a different generation to them (age gap) and we share responsibility. When we cooked Christmas lunch, we had our bits to do and it made life easier as we co-run our business. And despite his comments to DD, she and DS very much pitch in, whilst doing school work as well. They know our hours are long and both are self sufficient (which I'm proud of) they do the shopping and chores without being pushed into it.
He won't change because he's been pandered to. It's not his fault he is divorced, it's the ex-wife at fault. They didn't like her either.
I just don't want to cause a huge, ongoing, situation with the 3 DSils. They are genuinely bullies and I avoid them at all costs and have done for years. They're rude, obnoxious and if you dare to disagree, well, you won't hear the end of it.
I prefer to keep our of it.
And yes, that may make me seem weak to some on this thread, but trust me, it's self preservation and not wanting to make an already awkward relationship worse.
I used to speak up and drown realised it was utterly futile and pointless. And it's not just me, it's the incoming partners and wives of the siblings and even the nieces and nephews.
They are a pain in the arse.

Oh and yes, DH has promised me more wine. He has said he is going to tell him to go home today and why. He will also be telling the elder SIL we won't be hosting again because he's been utterly useless this year, worse than ever.

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cityanalyst678 · 28/12/2025 11:45

You are obviously a lovely person, but enough is enough. You need to protect yourself too.
So hand on hips, march in and say ‘ OK we need to get things back to normal now and I need my living room back. We also have to get back to work’. Then start pulling the sheets off and tidy up around him.
How does he get home? He is never going to find a partner, so some tough action is required. Tell your husband his brother can visit at another time of year, but not Christmas. If you fall out with the brother, then even better…..

SwanNecked · 28/12/2025 11:37

LandladyofTheValley · 28/12/2025 11:06

Trust me it's very much not my choice and DHs family cause us 90% of any disagreements we ever have or have had in the 30 years of our being together.
They're a big Irish family and apparently family is very important. Despite this belief, and then voicing such, it's only important when their Christmas isn't fucked up by their DB. The whole lot I would not care a jot of we saw them again. They're rude, opinionated and I find for my sanity it's best to shut it and let DH deal with it. They actually openly told DH he shouldn't have married me when he invited them to our 30th anniversary this summer and that was why they wouldn't attend. They really are arseholes.
But DH although he knows they're twats says they are his family and he's resigned to it. I do get it. Mine are all gone and we were very non-commital before that.
DD did tell him. She is feisty and will always speak up. Literally told him to fuck off as he's a lazy twat who sat there while everyone else ran around.

I’m Irish, as is my DH. We both come from big families, and enormous extended families — DH is one of seven siblings and his mother is one of thirteen siblings. Neither of us would invite anyone we didn’t like or trust to behave reasonably well to stay, Christmas or not. ‘Irishness’ is not some kind of separate category which tolerates familial bad behaviour.

xAwaywiththefairiesx · 28/12/2025 11:36

BillieWiper · 28/12/2025 11:33

If he was that age (and obviously a penis owner) my mum would probably totally excuse his behaviour. Of course if he was female he'd be expected to have tidied the house from top to bottom, helped every day with cooking and cleaning and bought loads of gifts. 🙄

I pointed out her double standards and she admitted she expects much more of women than she does of men!?

My mum would say this.

She once told me how lucky I am that I have a DH who changes nappies.

I asked if he was lucky to have a wife that changes nappies. She was shocked and confused and immediately said "no!!" and refused to discuss it further.

BillieWiper · 28/12/2025 11:33

If he was that age (and obviously a penis owner) my mum would probably totally excuse his behaviour. Of course if he was female he'd be expected to have tidied the house from top to bottom, helped every day with cooking and cleaning and bought loads of gifts. 🙄

I pointed out her double standards and she admitted she expects much more of women than she does of men!?

xAwaywiththefairiesx · 28/12/2025 11:32

SwanRivers · 28/12/2025 11:29

I'm also from a large Irish family and whenever any of them come to stay I actually end up with less to do, as everyone just pitches in.

Which is exactly how it should be for anyone that actually values family!!

Dollymylove · 28/12/2025 11:30

EmeraldJeanie · 28/12/2025 10:40

I give you a young whippersnapper relative staying with his parents who has refused to let them watch their TV programmes as not culturally superior enough. When he leaves they shall binge watch their Christmas TV.

I wouldn't tolerate that in any way, shape or form 🤣

SwanRivers · 28/12/2025 11:29

xAwaywiththefairiesx · 28/12/2025 11:26

My DH's family are a huge Irish family too, and family is important to them as well. None of them would behave like this, not even the weird alcoholic one. And if they did, they would very firmly be told to sort themselves out by one of the matriarchs.
They are behaving this way because they are assholes. Even the assholes know asshole DB is an asshole. Cut him out. You will lose nothing but an asshole and potentially more assholes. Bonus.

I'm also from a large Irish family and whenever any of them come to stay I actually end up with less to do, as everyone just pitches in.

xAwaywiththefairiesx · 28/12/2025 11:26

LandladyofTheValley · 28/12/2025 11:06

Trust me it's very much not my choice and DHs family cause us 90% of any disagreements we ever have or have had in the 30 years of our being together.
They're a big Irish family and apparently family is very important. Despite this belief, and then voicing such, it's only important when their Christmas isn't fucked up by their DB. The whole lot I would not care a jot of we saw them again. They're rude, opinionated and I find for my sanity it's best to shut it and let DH deal with it. They actually openly told DH he shouldn't have married me when he invited them to our 30th anniversary this summer and that was why they wouldn't attend. They really are arseholes.
But DH although he knows they're twats says they are his family and he's resigned to it. I do get it. Mine are all gone and we were very non-commital before that.
DD did tell him. She is feisty and will always speak up. Literally told him to fuck off as he's a lazy twat who sat there while everyone else ran around.

My DH's family are a huge Irish family too, and family is important to them as well. None of them would behave like this, not even the weird alcoholic one. And if they did, they would very firmly be told to sort themselves out by one of the matriarchs.
They are behaving this way because they are assholes. Even the assholes know asshole DB is an asshole. Cut him out. You will lose nothing but an asshole and potentially more assholes. Bonus.

Lobelia123 · 28/12/2025 11:21

Everyone is being very sanctimonious on this thread . The bil sounds like a proper plank but I get it, when someone this dysfunctional and disliked is part of an overall toxic dynamic, it becomes fraught with guilt, duty, obligation and yes compassion- because this useless piece of misogynistic shit is not loved or welcome anywhere. But that’s on him…. He’s had plenty of time to learn some manners but seems to be defiantly trying his utmost to take advantage and push you past the point of no return.

op honestly I think you’ve done your best and no more is required of you. If your husband feels someone must host this loser, then let it be him. Pack up the kids and go to the seaside next year. You’re not the one at fault here you’ve actually been a bit of a saint. It’s probably time you put your foot down because down the road I can see this evolving into a situation of …. Oh bil is retiring now, who’s going to look after him. As he ages and becomes infirm…..

Agrumpyknitter · 28/12/2025 11:19

SwanRivers · 28/12/2025 10:42

As always, so much of this could be solved with adults using their words.

If no-one's willing to do that, nothing will ever change.

So you've plenty more Christmases like this to look forward to 🤷‍♂️

Yes, exactly this. There are ways to be assertive and polite. Get him to leave if you have had enough and who cares what the others will think of you, they will think them regardless of your actions.

ThejoyofNC · 28/12/2025 11:18

Please tell me someone is replacing the wine?

SwanNecked · 28/12/2025 11:13

LandladyofTheValley · 28/12/2025 10:49

I said, it's our turn.
And DH doesn't like the idea that the rest of the family would leave him alone all Christmas if he doesn't come to us.
I would rather not and not would DD who will be telling DH exactly how pissed off she is later as well.

Well, that’s your choice, obviously, but if you’ve invited someone you know to be awful, out of a misplaced sense of obligation, surely it’s no surprise that he’s then awful? Wouldn’t you be happier dealing with the discomfort of saying no than the discomfort of having a filthy leech in your house for days? You choose your discomfort.

SwanRivers · 28/12/2025 11:10

LandladyofTheValley · 28/12/2025 11:06

Trust me it's very much not my choice and DHs family cause us 90% of any disagreements we ever have or have had in the 30 years of our being together.
They're a big Irish family and apparently family is very important. Despite this belief, and then voicing such, it's only important when their Christmas isn't fucked up by their DB. The whole lot I would not care a jot of we saw them again. They're rude, opinionated and I find for my sanity it's best to shut it and let DH deal with it. They actually openly told DH he shouldn't have married me when he invited them to our 30th anniversary this summer and that was why they wouldn't attend. They really are arseholes.
But DH although he knows they're twats says they are his family and he's resigned to it. I do get it. Mine are all gone and we were very non-commital before that.
DD did tell him. She is feisty and will always speak up. Literally told him to fuck off as he's a lazy twat who sat there while everyone else ran around.

It is very very much your choice.

Unless you're saying your husband would divorce you if you refused.

It's also your choice not to sit this man down and tell him how you expect him to act in your home.

LandladyofTheValley · 28/12/2025 11:06

SwanRivers · 28/12/2025 10:55

I would rather not and not would DD who will be telling DH exactly how pissed off she is later as well.

Why isn't she telling her uncle?

Why aren't YOU telling him?

Why isn't your DH telling him?

Honestly, this is utterly ridiculous and you're not hosting him because 'it's your turn', you're hosting him because you choose to.

Trust me it's very much not my choice and DHs family cause us 90% of any disagreements we ever have or have had in the 30 years of our being together.
They're a big Irish family and apparently family is very important. Despite this belief, and then voicing such, it's only important when their Christmas isn't fucked up by their DB. The whole lot I would not care a jot of we saw them again. They're rude, opinionated and I find for my sanity it's best to shut it and let DH deal with it. They actually openly told DH he shouldn't have married me when he invited them to our 30th anniversary this summer and that was why they wouldn't attend. They really are arseholes.
But DH although he knows they're twats says they are his family and he's resigned to it. I do get it. Mine are all gone and we were very non-commital before that.
DD did tell him. She is feisty and will always speak up. Literally told him to fuck off as he's a lazy twat who sat there while everyone else ran around.

OP posts:
4forksache · 28/12/2025 10:59

Well he’s not going to get away with it with you any more either is he.
And worse, he’s not going to get another chance to improve as he’s pushed you too far.

SwanRivers · 28/12/2025 10:55

LandladyofTheValley · 28/12/2025 10:49

I said, it's our turn.
And DH doesn't like the idea that the rest of the family would leave him alone all Christmas if he doesn't come to us.
I would rather not and not would DD who will be telling DH exactly how pissed off she is later as well.

I would rather not and not would DD who will be telling DH exactly how pissed off she is later as well.

Why isn't she telling her uncle?

Why aren't YOU telling him?

Why isn't your DH telling him?

Honestly, this is utterly ridiculous and you're not hosting him because 'it's your turn', you're hosting him because you choose to.

frozendaisy · 28/12/2025 10:54

And stand there saying well get up get him out now

frozendaisy · 28/12/2025 10:53

tell DH if he’s so concerned he will be alone he can go to him instead