School run and TOIL

Who looks after your child after the school run?

Boss is right. It should be give and take, but it isn't working like that. If you're not making up the lost 50mins - hour school
Run each day then she has been giving you 2.5hours a week for however long. You're now quibbling/annoyed about 4 hours when the reality is if you looked at last week in isolation you only really worked 1.5 hours extra as you had the. Benefit of 2.5 hour lunches you were not entitled to. This is before you factor in the benefit of being allowed to WFH. In your shoes op I would t have put the request in and I wouldn't be rocking the boat.

So you’re getting an extra half hour each day then. I wouldn’t be rocking the boat at all just being very grateful for th amount of flexibility

Your lunch break every day is an hour and 20 mins? Everyone else gets an hour? Is that correct?

So you get 1 hr lunch, your boss is allowing you to have 30 minutes actually as a lunch break and then put the other 30 mins towards your school run time. The school run actually takes 50-60 mins so every day you are getting given a free 20-30 minutes that you don’t have to repay or work back, and you had the gall to ask for 4 hrs TOIL because you worked some extra time one week.

Is my understanding of the situation correct because if so then yeah, absolutely you are BU and a CF.

You started this job in August, simplifying the maths at 4 weeks a month and assuming you started late in August then you’ve had at least 12 weeks of 20-30 extra minutes a day which is 100-150 mins a week or 1200 - 1800 mins total which is 20- 30 hrs and you’re nitpicking about the 4 hrs you worked.

If you started work in August you have had at least 50 hours of time to eat your lunch on top of your designated lunch break which you use to collect your child.

Expecting TOIL is really taking the piss.

Yep. Congratulations, you've just marked yourself as an entitled piss taker. Not a smart move if you intend any kind of promotion, ever, from this woman.

So you basically have 90 minutes when everyone else has 60 minutes?

You were taking the mick putting in for TOIL as well.

This is when the old-fashioned flexitime system works well and stops chancers. There’s a record of hours worked whenever they’re worked and if you accrue hours you can take them as a day off about once a month.

So you owe 2.5 hours work per week I'd say that you have some cheek putting in a toil request

So you take an extra 20? minutes a day break, paid?

At first I had no clue what the relevance of your age and the fact you were a teen mum was, but now it seems to show how mentally young you really are. If you are taking 2.5hrs extra a week PAID, due to your 'chill' days, then also think its fine to claim 4hrs of TOIL, then you are a CF!

I'm as pro-worker as they come, dyed in the wool union member, but I think you've misstepped here.

Your boss has effectively said that if the work gets done, she doesn't mind you flexing hours to do the school run. That's a great arrangement. The flip side is that if you sometimes need to do extra hours so the work gets done, then so be it. Your boss isn't nickel-and-diming you on hours, so don't do that in return.

I wish I'd seen that before I voted YANBU... of course you are!!

I’m team boss. Yes it seems fairly relaxed and flexible however from what you’ve said you are wanting your cake and eat it.

This! You are already lucky she's being ao flexible, you do a tiny amount above and beyond one time and want paying for it?

People like you who are take take take and no give, are why corporations are rescinding some of the flexibility they used to be willing to give.

So you take an hour per day to do the school run and a 30 minute lunch?

If thata the case there's only one CF here

I think you need to explain exactly what hours you should do a day / a week and what hours you actually do. I would never ask for payment for working a bit extra if it risked the flexibility I have been given. Put up and shut up, as from what I and most people have understood you are in a deficit every week already?

You seem to have an entitled attitude...your eye roll at the having to use lunch break to do the school run at previous job and the thought that you get 50 minutes to do school run, also have 30 minutes to eat lunch AND put in for toil

Your manager is right...its about give and take. Be careful that she doesn't decide you "take" too much and have to make alternative arrangements for the school run

Have I picked you up correctly- you get half an hour lunch and an hour to do the school run every day? You don’t work an extra half hour at the end of each day to cover your hours?

If this is the case you have a dream of a boss who is quite right to push back when you then took advantage.

Team Boss, sorry. You can’t have it both ways and TOIL should be agreed in advance.

Grow up. If you want the flexibility you need to realise you need to need to actually do something to earn it.

Wow OP

So, you get 30 mins lunch + 50 mins to an hour to do the school run, as opposed to just an hour for lunch. Every day, every week. And you’re complaining about four hours of TOIL?

YABU. How is it not obvious to you that YABU?! Are you actively trying to piss your manager off?

But you owe them hours and hours of work at this point?

While I don’t think employees should be expected to work for free, you are taking the biscuit.

You are in a daily deficit, despite a very flexible and agreeable set up.

You have pushed your luck and I wouldn’t be entirely shocked if the extra time needs to be accounted for going forwards. If I was the manager I would be concerned by your request to be honest.

YABU

It’s actually embarrassing that you asked for 4 hours toil. You use 2.5hrs a week in extra paid time off!
How long have you worked there using this extra time? You must owe them much more than 4 hours.
I would email and apologise before you suddenly find that your flexi time is removed.