to think no one can define living as a woman

In addition :

Maybe this will be interesting too (particularly the final paragraph which I bolded)

PROFESSOR ALICE SULLIVAN'S LETTER TO THE JUDICIAL OFFICE REGARDING KEMP'S MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE CRIME RATE FOR MALE PEOPLE WITH TRANSGENDER IDENTITIES

https://x.com/ProfAliceS/status/2000532626243756399?s=20

I have written to the Judicial Office for Scotland in relation to errors in the interpretation of evidence in the Sandie Peggie case.

To: Judicial Office for Scotland

Dear Sir/Madam,

I write in relation to the Judgment in the case of Peggie vs Fife Health Board and Upton.

While some of these points have already been discussed in the public domain, the judgment suggests a preference for a ‘skilled witness’ regarding research evidence. As a professor of sociology at UCL with many years of experience in the field of social statistics, I trust that I meet the criteria to be considered as a skilled witness.

Paragraph 1047 suggests some confusion on the part of Judge Kemp regarding the following publication: Dhejne, C., Lichtenstein, P., Boman, M., Johansson, A.L., Långström, N. and Landén, M., 2011. Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden. PloS one, 6(2), p.e16885.

The judgment notes: ‘The following was stated “Transsexual individuals were at increased risk of being convicted for any crime or violent crime after sex reassignment (Table 2); this, however was only significant in the group who underwent sex reassignment before 1989.” ‘

However, this is sentence is irrelevant to the point at hand. The judge appears to have either misinterpreted the evidence or missed the point.

The paper states ‘regarding any crime, male-to-females had a significantly increased risk for crime compared to female controls (aHR 6.6;95% CI 4.1–10.8) but not compared to males’. In other words, the paper finds that ‘male-to-females’ retained a male pattern of criminal convictions.

The judge’s misinterpretation of Dhjene et al, combined with his dismissal of Ministry of Justice data on the grounds that clicking on hyperlinks would have been required to gain access to the relevant documents, underpinned his conclusion in paragraph 1049 ‘In our view, having read all of the documents, there is very far from sufficient reliable evidence to establish as a fact that a trans woman who is legally and biologically male is a greater risk to any person assigned female at birth within a changing room environment at a workplace than another woman assigned female at birth’.

This conclusion is based in error. In addition, it misunderstands the burden of proof. It is well-established that males are far more likely to commit violent and sexual crime than females. In order to argue that this does not apply to a subset of males, one would need strong positive evidence of this point.

I would add some further evidence.* *

The most recent data from His Majesty’s Prison and Probation Service (HMPPS, 2025) further supports the view that males who identify as transwomen retain a male pattern of offending. Only around 4% of the prison population in England and Wales is female. The transgender prison population in 2025 (0.4% of prisoners) included over four times as many biological males (276) as females (63). If transwomen were counted as women, they would constitute 7.3% of women prisoners.

I hope this is helpful.

Yours faithfully,
Professor Alice Sullivan, UCL

More on why a sub group of male people should not be treated like female people when assessing the risk level of male people with transgender identities.

This adds to Hoardasaurass’ post.

This was a question answered in Parliament in 23 December 2024:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298.

Question from Rebecca Paul (MP Reigate): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2023-2024, published on 28 November 2024, how many of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female were convicted of a sexual offence.

Answer from Sir Richard Dakin (MP Scunthorpe): 23 December 2024

Of the 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (i.e. those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid) on 31 March 2024, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. This includes both contact and non-contact sexual offences. Offence data was not available for 1 individual.

Of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female on 31 March 2024, the number convicted of a sexual offence is five or fewer. We do not provide exact data for such small sample sizes as it risks identification of individuals. This approach is in line with our standards on data disclosure.

Just a note on this:

Regarding the % of male prisoners in UK with transgender identities. The mentioned above for the year ending 31 March 2024 had the figure that 151 of the 243 male prisoners in the UK prisons had at least one sex offence on their record.

The ratio changed from 43.3% (88/203) having at least one sex offence to their name at 31 March 2023 to 151/243 to 62.1% as at 31 March 2024.

The increase of the overall number of male prisoners with transgender identities in the UK prisons between 2023 and 2024 was only 42 yet the increase in the sex offenders was 63.

In 2019, there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders. I haven’t looked up the stats since. But I wouldn’t expect this will be different. Last time I looked at the raw stats for female sex offences, they had remained stable numbers for a decade or more despite population growth.

For male people with transgender identities to have the same rate of committing sex offences, there would be 8 (3.3% of 243) prisoners with trans identities in the UK prison population with sex offences.

8
Not 151.

And if someone tries to suggest that the majority of these male prisoners have declared that they are women to gain access to the female prisons, I doubt this is true.

Considering the sex crime numbers for that prison population jumped from 88 to 151 male prisoners with a sex offence that declared they were women in a year (31 March 2024 to 31 March 2024) AFTER the publishing of the guidance in early February 2023, I seriously doubt these new prisoners are making declarations for the benefit of getting into the female prison.

Here is data from the MoJ

Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other

77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.
1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,

This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.

Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.

There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female.

What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.

As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population.

And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.

I will leave you to do your own sums. But... even using the figure of 88/203 is 43.3%. (And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.)

By the way this exercise was done in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.
The breakdown was
40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other

The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

And that according to that FOI 197 prisoners are transgender.

This is why NO SUB GROUP OF MALE PEOPLE SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM RISK ASSESSMENT. This group of male people still retain the same male pattern of committing sex and violent crime, at ANY STAGE OF TRANSITION.

Exactly

I mean, fine, add a gender marker if people feel really strongly about it, but sex is sex, it never changes and we should not be creating a legal fiction that it does

Every transwomen is a man and like all men the pose a risk to women which is why they belong with other men not women.
Oh and transwomen also sexually assault at more than 5× the rate of men who id as men.

When a child is given their new adoptive name
are the place and date altered - No because they are facts
is the sex altered - no because it is a fact

for a middle aged father to get a fresh birth certificate that says they are female is an utter lie

Your wrong rape can only be committed with a penis or in Scotland a neo penis (skin tube surgically grafted to a woman's crotch) read the law. Penetration with any other object is a serious sexual assault

There is a segment in this compilation below that shows men using the ‘I dress like a woman so I should be treated like a woman’ approach.

Maybe seeing it in action will be enlightening to some readers.

I don't see that as similar. They reflect complex situation.

In this case, sex markers on legal documents are being blatantly falsified, in a way that everyone knows is complete fiction.

Apologies.

I don’t and have said that I have.

should be

I don’t and have not said that I have.

THere is no requirement for ANY phyiscal modification
surgery or drugs
to get a GRC in the UK

Falsification of documents such as passports, driving licences and birth certificates
should be a crime
not government policy

Birth certs for adopted children are amended in what some would see as a similar way. I would not say they are falsified.

A woman is an adult human female. A male can no more 'live as a female' than a white person can live as an African American. Unless you're Rachel Dolezal.

Anyone here familiar with Rachel Dolezal? The snow white woman who 'identifies' as an African American woman who blacked her face, wears an afro wig and managed to infiltrate her way into getting a position with the NAACP?

If you believe in 'transgender', you must also by default and by definition believe in transracial. You either believe in both, or none at all. If you are transracialphobic or use 'anti transracial rhetoric' but ok with transgender, then you're a hypocrite.

And then there is trans age. The male who claims he identifies as a 6 year old girl. Congratulations. That is what championing transgender has led to.

It would be a challenge to find language that everyone agreed on, for sure.

Ironically, Joan is a boy's name in some parts of Europe

The NHS don't require people to have lived as the opposite sex before starting hormone treatment . The effects of large doses of testosterone on women are not entirely reversible.

The ramifications are directly part of this discussion on this very thread.

Well, the ramifications are a whole other discussion.

I have already agreed with you on this.

But think about it, what would they change the language to that would be acceptable to the group of men who demand to be treated as if they are no longer male and are female?

Well, quite.

Or take on extra caring responsibilities? 🤔

Surely they could just take a big pay cut at work for the same job (thought not)

Yes. I know. I am pointing out the ramifications of exactly what you are referring to.

What bit didn’t you think applied to what you are referring to?

Or did you think that this ‘experience’ had no negative impacts on female people?

There is no such thing as living as a woman. What you are describing are men larping around with women's clothes and makeup

Perhaps the NHS should change their language around that requirement.

ETA: Sorry, it’s early where I live. The pronouns thing is another discussion - I was just responding to this thread which is about the live as a woman thing.

It could be.

Because they are not living as women. Why do female people have to accept that female language is used for a group of men?