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to think no one can define living as a woman

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funtimess · 27/12/2025 15:34

if you are a biological man.

Or indeed define living as a man if they are a biological woman.

What is the definition, how do you define a person ‘living" as the opposite sex?

AIBU to think that nobody is going to be able to define this unless they resort to regressive stereotypes.

YABU - I can define this for you without using regressive stereotypes.
YANBU - You are right, you can’t define this without using regressive stereotypes.

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thebrollachan · 27/12/2025 15:50

From gov.uk:

Evidence of living in your gender for the last 2 years
You’ll need copies of evidence to show that you’ve been living in your affirmed gender for the last 2 years.
Each piece of evidence should contain at least one of the following that matches up with your affirmed gender:

  • a name
  • a title, like ‘Mr’ or ‘Miss’
  • a gender marker, like ‘male’ or ‘female’
There are no other specific requirements for this evidence, but try to find:
  • evidence from different points over the 2 years, with roughly 1 piece of evidence for every 3 months
  • at least one piece of evidence from the last 2 or 3 months
  • evidence from a variety of different sources
The evidence can come from before you were diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Examples of what you can send in include good quality photocopies or photographs of:
  • your driving licence
  • your passport
  • identity cards, like workplace IDs, student IDs, railcards, health insurance cards, library cards or supermarket loyalty cards
  • letters from solicitors, accountants, doctors, dentists or employers
  • bank statements
  • payslips, P60s and P45s
  • benefit letters
  • tax letters and documents, including council tax
  • credit reports
  • confirmation letters that you’re on the electoral register
  • student loan statements
  • utility bills, such as internet bills
  • rental agreements
  • academic certificates and documents
funtimess · 27/12/2025 15:49

YourZippyHare · 27/12/2025 15:45

YABU for starting yet another thread on mumsnet about this.

I agree with your point, but this has been done to death on here.

I’m sorry, I’ve not seen any threads specifically asking about this phrase. It just gets said as though it has meaning or sense.

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WarrenTofficier · 27/12/2025 15:48

Just like no one can define woman in a way that means some male people are women. 'Trans women are women' only works if you un-couple the word women from its actual definition and after years of asking no one has yet supplied and alternative meaning that doesn't rely on the idea that woman means people who say they are women.

SnowDaysAndBadLays · 27/12/2025 15:46

The only way to live as a woman is to be born female and grow up.
Anything else is reductive, outdated stereotypes.

YourZippyHare · 27/12/2025 15:45

YABU for starting yet another thread on mumsnet about this.

I agree with your point, but this has been done to death on here.

WasThatACorner · 27/12/2025 15:41

I can't even define what it is to live as a woman as a biological woman.

I know what it is to live as me. I am a woman. I do not represent all women and could not begin to define what a woman is in any meaningful way beyond the biological.

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