To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

To be fair,I'm now just here for the elephant looking lion pictures

Thank you for clarifying that it is utterly pointless engaging in discussion with you on this issue.

Sorry sexes

What? You really think men and women are different species?

If I didn't say it then please don't infer that I think it.

That last one.

Men and women are different species. What is this bell curve measuring do you think?

Cats and dogs are different species. Men and women are not.

Im a lady!

Sorry that should have been 'cats on a bell curve with dogs'

I'm not even sure what the point of the 'passing' conversation is? What are people saying?

We let men who are deemed to 'pass' use women's spaces? But who decides who passes and who doesn't? And is this not discriminatory to men who want access to women spaces but dont pass?

Or is it that, because some men supposedly pass, then we have to let all men into women's spaces, regardless of how obviously male they are?

So there is a point where some lions look elephant like? Can you show me a picture of one?

So if en can use the ladies toilets with impunity, surely that belies the non cis males claims thst they are unsafe in male toilets doesn’t it? So therefore the only reason non cis males use female facilities is for validation?

Almost EVERYTHING in the natural world is on a bell curve

Where are you getting this from? What are you even referencing here? Do you think cars are on a bell curve with dogs are something? What do you think the bell curve is measuring?

Female and male skeletons are put together differently, due to different shaped pelvic bones, with different subpubic angles. The result is different Q angle connecting hip to knee, which impacts the mechanics of walking in each sex.

@Imdunfer I'm rather missing your point here.

Are you suggesting that since (in your opinion, though FWIW I actually agree with you) there are some people who are reliably mis-sexed, there is no point in ever even attempting to provide sex-specific supports, nor in expecting that individuals, who do know their own sex even if they wish it was different, behave like reasonable human beings and respect them?

Because if that is your point, I thoroughly, utterly disagree.

Female people deal with an unfair pile of shit both because of our sex directly, and because of how society, especially male society, feels entitled to treat us because of our sex. And that does not go away simply because the sex of some individuals may not be immediately apparent.

So it is not fair or reasonable to expect millions, billions of women (original female meaning) to put up with all the shit that comes with our bodies without recourse to female-only provisions and protections, nor to tell us we cannot speak plainly about who is a man and who is a woman and why that matters, simply to spare the hurt feelings of a few.

Or Steff McGovern.

Most men don't have BO, and I defy anyone to smell the difference between males and females when both sexes are now drowning themselves in perfume.

Anyone heard of April Ashley? She had a successful career as a model in the 60s and appeared on the front cover of Vogue. No one knew she was male u til she was outed by a childhood acquaintance.

Almost EVERYTHING in the natural world is on a bell curve and skeletal structure and size certainly is.

I have male pattern fingers. Look it up.

Tell NW tonights Annabel Tiffin that women don't have square jaws.

Rtc etc etc etc etc@

In this case it is. This person is clearly a man to me.

If a transwoman is taking female hormones then it might not be so different.

Nope. I have had conversations with people who don't believe I'm a woman. And the simple fact is, you do not know if you've not realised a woman is trans rather than cis

Oh yes. Male BO. It's completely different to female BO. Men have a scent that is completely different from women.

And the smell of male sweat.

It's not a bell curve. It's an absolute difference between how male/female skeletons are constructed.