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To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

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DungOnATwig · 24/12/2025 01:10

Watching above with DD17 (lesbian) and DS11 (straight) earlier today. One scene where a female presenting (long hair + fake eyelashes) but clearly biologically male actor plays a doctor (just Dr). DS says "that......lady sounds like a man".

I said yeah it is a man love. A man who identifies as a sex they are not.

DD paused then typed a wee bit more furiously than usual for 30 secs but then was ok. She knows tbf. She's lesbian and not pan.

It was so distilled down to me at the point of his very innocent (and tentative so as not to offend question) that I am not prepared to lie to my kid about the fucking fundamentals of life and tell them that person is a woman. Fuck that.

Merry Christmas 🍷

Also FUCK THAT FILM 😭😭😭😭😭

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ThatBlackCat · 27/12/2025 11:27

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Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 11:24

ThatBlackCat · 27/12/2025 11:16

No it really isn't. Fingers are not the same as hips and the pelvic bone.

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C sections would never have been invented if all women had wide hips/pelvis

ThatBlackCat · 27/12/2025 11:23

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sadtimess · 27/12/2025 11:23

What always makes me laugh is that no one can EVER tell us what living as a woman means.

I can only assume living as a woman rather than being a woman must mean role play?

ThatBlackCat · 27/12/2025 11:21

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 10:53

If I didn't say it then please don't infer that I think it.

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You must because you are bending over 360 degrees while clutching desperately at straws to make the point that we cannot tell men from women. At least be honest about your agenda.

KimberleyClark · 27/12/2025 11:21

ThatBlackCat · 27/12/2025 11:19

Wtf? Are you serious? We all have body odour! Every single one of us. And we all have pheromones.

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Nope. There is currently no scientific proof or consensus that humans have pheromones.

ThatBlackCat · 27/12/2025 11:19

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 10:10

Most men don't have BO, and I defy anyone to smell the difference between males and females when both sexes are now drowning themselves in perfume.

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Wtf? Are you serious? We all have body odour! Every single one of us. And we all have pheromones.

TheKeatingFive · 27/12/2025 11:18

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 11:17

Bell curves are the distribution of ONE characteristic in a population. For any male or female characteristic, with few exceptions, there is overlap between the male and the female bell curve of every charactertic.

The most naturally feminine male in the world will look more like a woman than the most masculine woman does.

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What characteristic specifically are you talking about?

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 11:17

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSportsIsBack · 27/12/2025 11:12

But bell curves are for two characteristics of one discrete thing.
Dimorphism isn't two characteristics of one discrete thing. It is literally two discrete things with different characteristics. Male humans and female humans are discrete (excluding genetic anomalies - look up "anomaly" if you're unsure). You can't plot that on a bell curve. That's not how statistical representations work.

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Bell curves are the distribution of ONE characteristic in a population. For any male or female characteristic, with few exceptions, there is overlap between the male and the female bell curve of every charactertic.

The most naturally feminine male in the world will look more like a woman than the most masculine woman does.

ThatBlackCat · 27/12/2025 11:17

KimberleyClark · 27/12/2025 10:10

Anyone heard of April Ashley? She had a successful career as a model in the 60s and appeared on the front cover of Vogue. No one knew she was male u til she was outed by a childhood acquaintance.

Long male neck and jawbone stick out. And that is even with the airbrushing. So bs no one kne.

ThatBlackCat · 27/12/2025 11:16

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 10:08

Almost EVERYTHING in the natural world is on a bell curve and skeletal structure and size certainly is.

I have male pattern fingers. Look it up.

Tell NW tonights Annabel Tiffin that women don't have square jaws.

Rtc etc etc etc etc@

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No it really isn't. Fingers are not the same as hips and the pelvic bone.

sadtimess · 27/12/2025 11:16

Ponderingwindow · 24/12/2025 01:34

i prefer a more neutral response that better aligns with my values. That is a man. Men can present themselves however they choose and there is nothing wrong with making non-traditional choices.

If he is confused, follow up with the specifics that men can choose their hair and clothing and even wear makeup.

they can but they are still men.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/12/2025 11:14

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSportsIsBack · 27/12/2025 11:12

But bell curves are for two characteristics of one discrete thing.
Dimorphism isn't two characteristics of one discrete thing. It is literally two discrete things with different characteristics. Male humans and female humans are discrete (excluding genetic anomalies - look up "anomaly" if you're unsure). You can't plot that on a bell curve. That's not how statistical representations work.

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Yes, only two gametes, no spegg.

TheKeatingFive · 27/12/2025 11:13

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 11:11

Your answer shows that you don't know what bell curves are. Look it up.

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I refer to the post above

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSportsIsBack · 27/12/2025 11:12

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 11:06

If you don't understand what bell curves are please look it up.

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But bell curves are for two characteristics of one discrete thing.
Dimorphism isn't two characteristics of one discrete thing. It is literally two discrete things with different characteristics. Male humans and female humans are discrete (excluding genetic anomalies - look up "anomaly" if you're unsure). You can't plot that on a bell curve. That's not how statistical representations work.

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 11:11

TheKeatingFive · 27/12/2025 11:09

I know what a bell curve is. I want to know what you think this specific make/female bell curve is measuring?

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Your answer shows that you don't know what bell curves are. Look it up.

BigYellowBus · 27/12/2025 11:11

I had a friend who didn't realise Hinge and Bracket were a drag act until.she read an obituary

TheKeatingFive · 27/12/2025 11:09

Male/female

TheKeatingFive · 27/12/2025 11:09

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 11:06

If you don't understand what bell curves are please look it up.

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I know what a bell curve is. I want to know what you think this specific make/female bell curve is measuring?

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 11:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/12/2025 11:03

A man can change into a woman as much as an elephant can change into a lion. It isn’t possible.

That is true, but not actually relevant to a discussion about whether every male can always be reliably distinguished physically from every female.

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 11:06

TheKeatingFive · 27/12/2025 10:57

Because of a typo?

So this male/female bell curve. What do the axis measure?

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If you don't understand what bell curves are please look it up.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/12/2025 11:03

A man can change into a woman as much as an elephant can change into a lion. It isn’t possible.

TheKeatingFive · 27/12/2025 11:02

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 10:59

Your "typo" followed comments about cats changing into dogs and elephants into lions.

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You said that almost everything in nature was on a bell curve. Could you explain a bit more about what you meant?

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 10:59

TheKeatingFive · 27/12/2025 10:57

Because of a typo?

So this male/female bell curve. What do the axis measure?

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Your "typo" followed comments about cats changing into dogs and elephants into lions.

TheKeatingFive · 27/12/2025 10:57

Imdunfer · 27/12/2025 10:55

Thank you for clarifying that it is utterly pointless engaging in discussion with you on this issue.

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Because of a typo?

So this male/female bell curve. What do the axis measure?

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