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To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

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DungOnATwig · 24/12/2025 01:10

Watching above with DD17 (lesbian) and DS11 (straight) earlier today. One scene where a female presenting (long hair + fake eyelashes) but clearly biologically male actor plays a doctor (just Dr). DS says "that......lady sounds like a man".

I said yeah it is a man love. A man who identifies as a sex they are not.

DD paused then typed a wee bit more furiously than usual for 30 secs but then was ok. She knows tbf. She's lesbian and not pan.

It was so distilled down to me at the point of his very innocent (and tentative so as not to offend question) that I am not prepared to lie to my kid about the fucking fundamentals of life and tell them that person is a woman. Fuck that.

Merry Christmas 🍷

Also FUCK THAT FILM 😭😭😭😭😭

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Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 24/12/2025 07:48

slashlover · 24/12/2025 07:47

I've told women their makeup is lovely.
I've told women that I absolutely can't walk in heels and am in awe about how they can do it.
I've told women they look beautiful.
I've told a woman her dress is gorgeous and really suits her.

This is man. Not a woman.

Not only that, he’s a man who “identifies” as a lesbian.

Peak misogyny

slashlover · 24/12/2025 07:47

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 24/12/2025 07:38

It’s not.
“I wish I could do my make up that well”
“I wish I could walk in heels like that”
“You’re so beautiful”
“You’re more of a woman than I’ll ever be”
“All I noticed was how beautiful you are”

This kind of gushing sycophancy is reserved for men, exclusively.

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I've told women their makeup is lovely.
I've told women that I absolutely can't walk in heels and am in awe about how they can do it.
I've told women they look beautiful.
I've told a woman her dress is gorgeous and really suits her.

AppropriateAdult · 24/12/2025 07:45

NipperPenrose · 24/12/2025 07:15

I find Mumsnet users to be an intelligent and understanding group until we get to the trans debate. On this subject it's a hotbed of intolerance with its inflexible and hate-filled TERF mentality. I despair.

This sort of attitude always baffles me. There’s a bunch of people whose opinions you like and respect; then you find out they think differently to you on one specific subject. Why is your response “Oh no, they were terrible people all along!” rather than “Hmm, I wonder if there’s more to this topic than I realised?” This lack of curiosity and self-examination is not a good thing…

Alucard55 · 24/12/2025 07:43

GarlicBreadStan · 24/12/2025 02:22

Because it doesn't matter. Why does it affect you how people identify? It doesn't affect trans people that you don't identify as trans.

It affects women and girls when men pretend they are women.

EchoedSilence · 24/12/2025 07:40

It's amazing how some on here can shoehorn Trans into every thing.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 24/12/2025 07:38

Kimura · 24/12/2025 07:32

What a ridiculous leap.

The actor did look nice in their scene.

It’s not.
“I wish I could do my make up that well”
“I wish I could walk in heels like that”
“You’re so beautiful”
“You’re more of a woman than I’ll ever be”
“All I noticed was how beautiful you are”

This kind of gushing sycophancy is reserved for men, exclusively.

TeaAndTattoos · 24/12/2025 07:38

YANBU I’m sick of people just going along with all this madness and playing along with the delusion. You were right to not lie to him and tell him that he’s a man.

Kimura · 24/12/2025 07:32

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 24/12/2025 07:19

Men are just THE BEST at womaning, aren’t they?

What a ridiculous leap.

The actor did look nice in their scene.

slashlover · 24/12/2025 07:28

I said yeah it is a man love. A man who identifies as a sex they are not.

They identify as a different gender, hence transGENDER and the change away from transexual.

AuntyAngela · 24/12/2025 07:21

"ioóii neh".

Sometimes I feel that too. But usually only when my manager emails me to ask me to call her, so she can ask me to call someone to ask them to call her.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 24/12/2025 07:19

Thesofathatwas · 24/12/2025 07:04

I also love the film and my first thought was is this character is trans?

But then, my immediate second thought was how beautiful they are. Really really beautiful. A lovely character.

Just made the film even more interesting as it is a story about transplant which should be brought to the fore far far more imho.

Men are just THE BEST at womaning, aren’t they?

NipperPenrose · 24/12/2025 07:15

I find Mumsnet users to be an intelligent and understanding group until we get to the trans debate. On this subject it's a hotbed of intolerance with its inflexible and hate-filled TERF mentality. I despair.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 24/12/2025 07:14

You are so brave.

PlanetJanette · 24/12/2025 07:11

marthasmum · 24/12/2025 06:58

You’re entitled to your views about trans people. But why ‘fuck that film’? That implies that trans people can’t exist at all. They shouldn’t even be on your television? I find that pretty offensive. You believe a trans woman is a man dressing up as a woman - fine. Why can’t she be on your television doing that?

Glad I’m not the only one who spotted this.

Interested in why the OP and everyone saying she is NBU thinks ‘fuck that film’ for the mere fact of having a trans actor in the cast is appropriate or reasonable?

Regardless of how OP wants to describe that actors sex or gender, why on earth is it anything other than rank bigotry to object to the mere fact of a trans actor having a (minor) role in a movie?

KimberleyClark · 24/12/2025 07:09

Congratulations. You must be feeling so proud. Well done you.

Thesofathatwas · 24/12/2025 07:04

I also love the film and my first thought was is this character is trans?

But then, my immediate second thought was how beautiful they are. Really really beautiful. A lovely character.

Just made the film even more interesting as it is a story about transplant which should be brought to the fore far far more imho.

Bringsomeparsnips · 24/12/2025 07:02

OwlBeThere · 24/12/2025 02:38

The obsession people have about this topic on mumsnet is weird and unhealthy. You make this a massive debate and massive problem when it just isn’t.
i would just say ‘biological lol ioóii
neh

You would just say what?

marthasmum · 24/12/2025 06:58

You’re entitled to your views about trans people. But why ‘fuck that film’? That implies that trans people can’t exist at all. They shouldn’t even be on your television? I find that pretty offensive. You believe a trans woman is a man dressing up as a woman - fine. Why can’t she be on your television doing that?

WeAreOnTheRoadToNowhere · 24/12/2025 06:56

Its very dangerous to bring girls up not recognising who is male. There are situations where females are at risk from males and we shoukd not teach them to pretend some males are not a potential danger

Marinetrained · 24/12/2025 06:50

GarlicBreadStan · 24/12/2025 02:22

Because it doesn't matter. Why does it affect you how people identify? It doesn't affect trans people that you don't identify as trans.

Why do you think it’s ok to have an opinion on something you know nothing about and have never looked into? This issue has been hotly debated for over a decade now. The ways that ‘trans people’ who want to be treated as the sex they are not, in all and every situation, negatively affects other people has been well articulated and evidenced.

Here’s a fun fact for you. The fact that you haven’t bothered to look into an issue, doesn’t mean that issue doesn’t exist and isn’t well known and evidenced.

Here’s another fun fact. Sound bites from your equally closed minded mates, are also not ‘facts’.

EleanorReally · 24/12/2025 06:45

i couldnt tell whether it was a man or a woman, i assumed a woman.
but it is a very minor part in the film

Isittimeformynapyet · 24/12/2025 06:44

OwlBeThere · 24/12/2025 02:38

The obsession people have about this topic on mumsnet is weird and unhealthy. You make this a massive debate and massive problem when it just isn’t.
i would just say ‘biological lol ioóii
neh

‘biological lol ioóii
neh

What the fuck does that mean? And when are you going to close the quotation marks?

Kimura · 24/12/2025 06:43

Minjou · 24/12/2025 06:08

Born a man? This seems to suggest that they are no longer a man, which you know to be not true.

Read my post. I state quite clearly that I don't believe a man can become a woman.

So no, explaining to a child that the reason someone in a film who appears to be a woman sounds like a man is because they were born a man implies nothing else.

Wingingit73 · 24/12/2025 06:39

Post makes no sense. Baiting.

UsernameMcUsername · 24/12/2025 06:36

Kimura · 24/12/2025 04:18

I don't believe a man can 'become' a woman or vice-versa, but that doesn't stop me acknowledging that trans people exist.

"That woman sounds like a man"

"They're trans. They were born a man but want to be seen as a woman".

There's no lie there. Nobody has ever suggested that you lie to your children and claim that trans woman aren't born male. Do you honestly think there was an expectation to pretend that you didn't know what DS was talking about, to tell him that he was hearing things or that you had no idea why her voice was so deep?

All you've done is increase the chance of your kid getting into a load of unnecessary bother by repeating what you've said.

But that's the point, isn't it? Why have we created a society where a child can get into 'bother' for stating basic reality, which 99.99% of the population accepted as basic reality all of five minutes ago?

I have a 14yo DS who thinks its all nonsense (independently of me - I'd never talked ?about it) but I've told him to be very careful what he says outside the house. Isn't that insane?

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