To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

Ahh 'bitter', the good old misogynistic motive only ever dished out to actual women.

Omg bbz you were sooooo brave and sooooo right!

Its utterly nauseating when bigots come on here already under zero illusion they are BU, to disingenuously "ask" if they were BU just so they can bask in being told how wonderful they are.

Bet you couldn't wait to come and post after that exchange.

Its Christmas eve, instead of seeking validation from a bunch of like minded harridans on the internet like youre 12 years old, go outside and engage.

Have you seen what's been done to Caroline Farrow, Posie Parker, Sandie Peggie, Jennifer Melle, Rachel Rooney etc.

You absolutely can be brought in for questioning, have devices confiscated by the police, be placed on years long disciplinary procedures, hounded from your job etc. if you are not sufficiently deferential to a man who says he's a woman, and especially if you attract the attention of the wrong one (the ones who say they are lawyers, or who are/were in the police being particularly vindictive)

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It's really important to be honest. I always have been with our 12yo. It can be tricky though.

There's a trans boy in his school who he has known since infant school. One of his newer female friends likes this child. DS asked me if he should tell her that "Henry" is really a girl. I said none of your business unless friend develops romantic feelings for Henry.

I've watched that film. Had no idea there was a trans person in it. Looked through the photos and wouldn't be able to pick out which person was trans.
It's getting to the point where it's all a bit Lineham. People yell he's a 'protector of women' and tells the truth.
Yet his tweet to Victoria Coren because they dared have a trans woman on a quiz show. That's nothing to do with 'womens safety ' same as a trans woman being in a film. You're just showing you don't like them existing.
The same way that people don't mind gay people as long as they don't 'ram it down your throat'. Yet ramming it down your throat is holding hands or mentioning a partner.

If you are in the UK, you know that simply is not true.

I’m pleasantly surprised by some of the responses on this thread. Mumsnet used to be an absolute cesspit of anti-trans sentiment but things seem to be changing.

I’m not cooing over anyone. I’m responding to someone who claimed that trans people aren’t subject to that scrutiny and ridicule. That claim is BS.

Exactly. Drop the “born as” and just say “He’s a man who likes to dress up and pretend he’s a woman”.

Being factual with the next generation is the only way this bullshit is going to go away.

Pointing out that you can see someone is a man, isn't quite the same thing as (for instance) when the Queen of Spain was dissected for wearing a particular dress whilst middle-aged, but in the same week Eddie was praised for it (the exact same dress. And I might add, she looked lovely, but it didn't suit Eddie's body at all).

On the other hand, if these blokes want to be treated like women, here we go, that's what it should be - women in the spotlight have their appearance criticised all the time.

Sorry how can an 11year old be described as ‘straight’? Or did I read it wrong? They’re still a child, surely?

I assumed she meant "fuck that film" because it's one of those that has you sobbing by the end of it? Or maybe that's just me, I can't watch it without becoming an emotional wreck. Same as with "Me Before You" 🤣😭

To be fair, women are judged on appearance from when they are children. We are taught that our value is tied to our perceived beauty.

So what's the issue?

They wish to be treated like women?

Women are torn down CONSTANTLY.

A woman with receding hair, badly applied lipstick and a leather miniskirt will not be well received, we all know it.
So why coo over men doing it?
So stunning. So brave.
It's pathetic.

Either you wanted other people's opinions or you didn't. Are you just going to mock the people whose views might not align with yours?

YABU to get so wound up over seeing someone like this on your tv. People like this exist everywhere - why is seeing them represented on tv getting you so angry. It’s quite embarrassing.

If an intelligent and understanding group of people can see problems in accepting people as the sex they are not, in all and every situation, maybe that's because there really is an issue.

The lie is that we are meant to accept those men who dress as women magically become one when they put a dress on
men can wear what they want and we have to affirm that
that’s absolutely true

Because the safety and functionality of women’s spaces, both literal (changing rooms, refuges) and virtual (quotas, prize lists) depend on the exclusion of men.

I could write a long list of how women have been disadvantaged by the recent male to female trans lobbying, but you won't listen anyway.

OP was right not to lie to her son and entitled to ask an AIBU without being attacked for it.

Why should a lesbian get her panties in a bunch over what a trans person is described as or not?

Born male=are male. Presentation, stereotypes,and dysphoria come on top of those facts

That's not neutral. It's also a bit of a pompous lecture for an 11 year old who asked a simple question.

How about: yes, that is a man. Some men feel happier in women's clothing?

I don't see that you could lie, OP and why would you?

See also Adam Ant and Richard O'Brien

But seemingly it does though. Hence the continuous litigations.