To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

There are plenty of people who would not accept your DD for being gay. Try a bit of tolerence for others just for Christmas

Good for you! Merry Christmas and thanks for the heads up to avoid that film! Xx

What they can’t choose is, to be a woman

I agree with this. I am GC but some people on our side take it too far, which doesn't help our case at all.

It's an actor playing their part in a film.

I don't now the film beyond a plot precis so no idea why the plot featured a Doctor who was apparently trans but they did.

I'm diametrically opposed to the GCF viewpoint and maybe that colours my vision but since you cannot eliminate Trans people you need to rub along.

She's saying fuck the film because it's sad

She's making too separate points

I only dish it out to bitter people.

If you can't abide by a trans person receiving the most innocuous, throwaway complement without ranting about how the poster clearly meant that trans women are better at 'womening' than actual women, that women never complement other women on their appearance unless they're exceedingly beautiful, that complements are reserved exclusively for trans people...then yes, bitter fits.

I cannot imagine making this big a deal of an actor in a film who happens to be trans

This is a really good article, and explains something I’ve been feeling ever since the TRAs started using ‘two spirit’ native Americans as historical confirmation that there have always been trans people.

“In almost none of these societies did two-spirit people born male identify as women. “

This is the most pertinent point, ‘two spirit’ men never claimed to be women, they just felt more comfortable living the way the women of their tribes stereotypically lived/behaved. They are a “third gender”, not ‘a women in a man’s body’

The other really interesting thing this article highlights is that “two spirit” people only exist in the rigidly patriarchal tribes, not the egalitarian ones. The other thing: two spirit people are never born women. Almost all of them, historically, have been men.

I think this expresses my issue with a lot of trans ideology; it cements and defines gender stereotypes, instead of removing them. The whole concept of ‘living as a woman’ relies on the idea that women dress, think and behave differently, but the only reason (most) women do dress/think/behave differently is because they have been socially conditioned from birth* to do so.

So, @DungOnATwig no, you’re not BU to answer your son honestly, although the way you worded it was a little clunky, a simple “they are a man, but they want to look like a woman, so they’ve had cosmetic surgery” is all you need to say.

• https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magazine-40936719

Yeah.

A simple straightforward answer to an accurate observation from her DS - the OP didn’t bring up the subject. And on with the film. Not a big deal.

DH sometimes does similar - it’s not in any way a criticism of a trans actor having a part, it’s more like the ‘isn’t that the actor who played xxxx’ type thing. 🤷‍♀️

Try reading the OP's post again. Try and understand it this time.

This. Forewarned is forearmed.

I don't see what is "anti trans" in explaining to a child that people cannot magically change sex?

Nobody in this thread has claimed that it is anti-trans to explain to a child that people cannot magically change sex.

All the child noted was that a 'female' character in a film sounded like a man.

I'm not sure where this claim that someone has magically changed sex that needs to be corrected has come from.

It's good to speak honestly to children in their own home, as they will get a lot of dishonesty elsewhere.
Also, the OP's "also, fuck that film" comment, with loads of crying faces, is clearly about the sadness of the ending not the trans character.

Read her post again. Try and understand it this time.

Do you see anything ‘anti-trans’ in saying ‘fuck that film’ for nothing more than casting a trans actor?

go outside and engage.

Ditto to you, mate.

OP, you were right. I don't see what is "anti trans" in explaining to a child that people cannot magically change sex?

Thank you - said it better than me!

Hilarious.

As if that isn’t exactly what men who want to present themselves as women crave. As if women aren’t punished for not providing it.

OP you are not only being entirely reasonable to be honest and truthful with your dc, you are also being entirely reasonable to promote honesty and truthfulness about a misogynistic ideology that harms all women, regardless of their beliefs, and destroys safeguarding of children and vulnerable adults.

Chill

Surely this has come up in conversation before bearing in mind your daughter is 17? All seems a bit of a fuss over sod all to me.

You said what you think,fine.But there no 'one-time shot' to have perfect conversations...you can discuss as much as your kids want/ask. Later your Dd might disagree,and your son too. But you can,um,talk about it and also remind each other that you're all entitled to your own opinions - and that they often change over time.

Now stop being so serious and get on with Christmas Eve!🎄

What's with the weird misogynistic 'panties in a bunch'?

But it's true? He is not female?

Nor for me 🤔 must watch again...