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To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

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DungOnATwig · 24/12/2025 01:10

Watching above with DD17 (lesbian) and DS11 (straight) earlier today. One scene where a female presenting (long hair + fake eyelashes) but clearly biologically male actor plays a doctor (just Dr). DS says "that......lady sounds like a man".

I said yeah it is a man love. A man who identifies as a sex they are not.

DD paused then typed a wee bit more furiously than usual for 30 secs but then was ok. She knows tbf. She's lesbian and not pan.

It was so distilled down to me at the point of his very innocent (and tentative so as not to offend question) that I am not prepared to lie to my kid about the fucking fundamentals of life and tell them that person is a woman. Fuck that.

Merry Christmas 🍷

Also FUCK THAT FILM 😭😭😭😭😭

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Kimura · 24/12/2025 11:53

littleburn · 24/12/2025 10:33

Oh course you are unreasonable OP. Anything other than chastising your child for not instantly believing the person is a woman is, of course, transphobic. Correctly describing a trans woman as a man who believes themselves to be a woman is also deeply transphobic.

Nobody on this thread has suggested anything of the sort though, have they?

I'll never understand people who invent fictitious scenarios to get mad at.

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 11:48

VashtaNerada · 24/12/2025 11:44

Oh that’s so random, I’ve actually met her! I’m pretty sure she does identify as female.

He does, but he is a man and OP was right to be honest about that with her child.

VashtaNerada · 24/12/2025 11:44

SoulSearchBeHonest · 24/12/2025 09:52

It's Rebecca Root who was born male and now identifies as female in a relationship that some call lesbian with a biological female. A fairly well known actor.

In the 2019 film the trans individual Rebecca plays a doctor.

Oh that’s so random, I’ve actually met her! I’m pretty sure she does identify as female.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 11:42

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 11:41

Should’ve gone to specsavers? 😬

Boom, boom 😁

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 11:41

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 11:38

Fine. For the umpteenth time, though. I didn’t bloody notice 😁

Should’ve gone to specsavers? 😬

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 11:40

pikkumyy77 · 24/12/2025 11:31

So what? Lots of things are new. Rights for wimen are new. Rights for gays are new. Being anti slavery is new. New doesn’t mean bad.

It’s bad for women if it means losing their rights to single sex spaces that give them privacy and dignity, and losing out in sports. An ideology that is based on gender stereotypes, resulting in people feeling they need to change socially and physically, taking puberty blockers and hormones that result in incontinence, loss of sexual function, osteoporosis….i could go on…. Yes, it’s a bad thing.

TheKeatingFive · 24/12/2025 11:38

pikkumyy77 · 24/12/2025 11:31

So what? Lots of things are new. Rights for wimen are new. Rights for gays are new. Being anti slavery is new. New doesn’t mean bad.

'New' doesn't mean positive or negative necessarily. Everything needs to be assessed on its merits

Deciding that gender identity is more important than sex in classifying humans has led to giving men access to women's single sex spaces. Sports, prisons, rape crisis centres, domestic violence shelters. If you think that's a positive development, well, you do you.

Personally I'd prefer if we supported people to express themselves how they choose, while upholding the importance and primacy of sex.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 11:38

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 11:31

To anyone who doesn’t want to deny biology and isn’t scared of bringing called transphobic because they deal with scientific facts, not just feelings.

Fine. For the umpteenth time, though. I didn’t bloody notice 😁

drspouse · 24/12/2025 11:38

gogomomo2 · 24/12/2025 08:13

A better answer is, “think it’s a trans woman”

What does that mean to an 11 year old though?

surreygirly · 24/12/2025 11:38

DungOnATwig · 24/12/2025 01:42

Yeah he knows who David Bowie is already but thanks 👍

No one really cares what you think

This is virtue signalling at it's worst

MaybeNotNo · 24/12/2025 11:35

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 24/12/2025 07:58

Fair enough but OP’s son did notice and asked a question.

OP wanted to know if she was reasonable in her answer.

I've also seen it many times, and NEVER noticed this character - even with the helpful link above from a PP, still dont remember them.

CraggyIslandTouristBoard · 24/12/2025 11:31

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 11:00

“And also no trans people have not always existed.”

How is this known?

When archaeologists dig up skeletons from thousands of years ago they can tell the people were trans and not binary male or female because…oh…um…[insert TRA word salad bingo here eg references to there being 312 different genders, literal violence, genocide etc etc].

pikkumyy77 · 24/12/2025 11:31

TheKeatingFive · 24/12/2025 11:03

Gender non conforming people have always existed.

Deciding that gender non conforming people are 'really' the opposite sex in some way, or that 'gender identity' should trump sex when it comes to the classification of male/female is a very recent development.

So what? Lots of things are new. Rights for wimen are new. Rights for gays are new. Being anti slavery is new. New doesn’t mean bad.

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 11:31

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 11:24

To you, fair enough. Can only say again, didn’t notice.

To anyone who doesn’t want to deny biology and isn’t scared of bringing called transphobic because they deal with scientific facts, not just feelings.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 11:31

TeaAndCock · 24/12/2025 11:30

I’d have said yeah a biological male, who identifies as a woman, so a trans woman.

Me too.

TeaAndCock · 24/12/2025 11:30

I’d have said yeah a biological male, who identifies as a woman, so a trans woman.

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 11:30

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 11:20

Doesn’t he just sit behind a desk?
Anyway, it really didn’t leap out at me. Wouldn’t bother me if it had, though.

It didn’t bother me either. It’s just a part in a film. But if my child has asked if he was a man, I’d have said yes.

It’s also important to have conversations about people who are identifying as trans due to the explosion in numbers and the consequences and impacts on wider society. This will be a talking point for many 11 year old in year 7. Both of my children had trans identifying people in their friendship groups from year 7. Talking to them so that they can get think through their views, helping them to balance those with other peoples etc, it’s something parents need to be ‘on’. If you have an autustic child, even more so as they are so vulnerable anyway, but especially to this ideology.

GrannyTeapot · 24/12/2025 11:25

I’m more intrigued that you felt it appropriate to label your DS11 as straight. At 11?? How can he possibly know accurately yet?

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 11:24

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 11:23

No, he stands at one point. Seeing him next to women really shows that he is a man. And his voice. Its not individual things even, It’s the whole presence/package (no pun intended). He looks like a man which is no surprise when he is a man

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To you, fair enough. Can only say again, didn’t notice.

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 11:23

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 11:20

Doesn’t he just sit behind a desk?
Anyway, it really didn’t leap out at me. Wouldn’t bother me if it had, though.

No, he stands at one point. Seeing him next to women really shows that he is a man. And his voice. Its not individual things even, It’s the whole presence/package (no pun intended). He looks like a man which is no surprise when he is a man

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 11:20

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 11:18

See him in the film, see him move, his voice, his hands, him in comparison to women. He’s is obviously a man.

See him in other things where he has a bigger role. He is very obviously a man.

Doesn’t he just sit behind a desk?
Anyway, it really didn’t leap out at me. Wouldn’t bother me if it had, though.

Dolphinnoises · 24/12/2025 11:19

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 10:16

Didn’t notice? 😂

I didn’t notice either but I have only watched Last Christmas while wrapping presents so am often only listening.

I tried to watch the Ex-Mas one this year instead but God it was dreadful. I got as far as the cupcake-divorce and the gay Grandads who seemed to have no narrative reason other than being gay Grandads for cutesy reasons (how patronising) and I was out

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 11:18

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 11:10

I’ve looked at photos on Google because of this thread. Passes for a woman, to me. I’ve seen more masculine looking female born actresses. Angelica Houston, Tilda Swinton, for example.

See him in the film, see him move, his voice, his hands, him in comparison to women. He’s is obviously a man.

See him in other things where he has a bigger role. He is very obviously a man.

RanchRat · 24/12/2025 11:16

Perhaps you should get yourself a hobby if you need something to occupy your mind.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 11:16

DungOnATwig · 24/12/2025 02:12

Good works night oot doll?

What language is this? Sounds like you've had too much of the sherry

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