To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

Plenty of short necked men about too. Prop forwards for example.

Long necks?

I have a long neck like her and model.
No one has ever suggested it’s manly.

Also a strong jaw is often considered attractive on women. Angelina Jolie has a strong jaw.

My best friend has her dad’s strong jaw and she is objectively gorgeous.

Exactly.

I struggle to believe an 11 year old spotted that.

Exactly. I’m not sure why people have trouble grasping this, @CraggyIslandTouristBoard

I’ve “only” been the victim of a “mild” sexual assault - a group of south Asian men groping women through thick winter clothes (in my case at least!) in a very crowded Trafalgar Square on New Year’s Eve. It left me angry but not traumatised, or particularly fearful of men.

However I am absolutely fearful of any man in a single sex women’s space - men should not be there, and thanks to the FWS judgment there can be no doubt: they know they should not be there.

So any man who continues to use women’s toilets/changing rooms/hospital wards etc is at best knowingly breaking the law, transgressing women’s boundaries and putting their own “wants” over women’s rights to safety, privacy and dignity.

At worst they are potentially a violent sexual predator.

Shame on anyone who argues men should be entitled to use women’s facilities.

And times when we are vulnerable, say alone, in a female space, the presence of any strange man is going to be threatening to most women. Because he should not be there, so he’s already crossed a line. He’s a man in a female only space, a boundary violator. That doesn’t change because he’s popped on a dress.

I can, it’s not as if they have a lot of great arguments to use.

I'm delighted for you that you are in that position. Other women are unfortunately much less privileged. I have a friend who was brutally raped and is now badly triggered by men in spaces where she feels more vulnerable, like toilets. It is totally immaterial to her how these men are dressed.

I cannot believe people are still trotting this out 🤦‍♀️

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Oh goody, the 'but your toilet at your (safe, private, closed off) home is gender neutral!' argument...

I think it was Helen Joyce that said she has a unisex bed at home but that doesn't mean she wants random men sharing it.

I share non-cubicle toilet facilities at home with men perfectly happily.

I presume you know these men and don't allow complete strangers to wander in from the street to use your toilet.

All "trans women" are men though that's the point. And seen as we have no way of telling the good men from the bad we exclude all men from spaces where women and girls may want privacy. If a man attempts to enter spaces designated for women and girls it's safe to say he at best does not respect the need for women and girls to have a space free from men and at worst is a predator.

Yes, how dare the vulnerable sex that are raped, abused, experience domestic violence etc fear the predator and oppressor sex. How very dare we! Don't we know that our natural instinct is 'wrong'?

But the reality is that most women do not fear most men. Sure, we fear violent men, but then we also fear violent women. That doesn't mean we have to have a "natural instinct" that all trans women are predatory and oppressive. Many of us make our own judgments on each individual case we encounter.

You're just not walking "womanly" enough! Come on, now.
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Plenty of women have long necks, plenty of men have receding or non-prominent chins. It would be a very foolish person who claimed to be able to distinguish men from women infallibly based on this alone.

That wasn't the question that I was asked. The response in question was a conclusion, not a question. And no, as is all too common on MN, someone chose to jump several steps forward from what I actually said to an illogical conclusion.

The answer to your question isn't straightforward. I share non-cubicle toilet facilities at home with men perfectly happily. I've also worked in small offices where the toilets available are single toilets were for use by both men and women, and again that didn't bother me or the other women in the offices concerned. If you're talking about larger public toilets, on the whole no, I don't want to share them with men who don't claim to be men, not least because men's toilets tend to be smellier and messier. But I'm aware of women who have happily marched into and used men's toilets when the queues for the women's are too long.

All cases that were started, and in some cases concluded, before the SC judgment.

Of course adverse consequences may follow if someone chooses not to follow the law, but that doesn't mean that the relevant beliefs are unprotected.

All women have hips.

That’s a DSD, a genetic defect where the animal’s development is anomalous, not a sex change. Calling it a sex change is like claiming that polydactyly means humans aren’t born with 10 fingers and 10 toes.

Though I agree that it is interesting.

One species of bird, the cardinal, can change sex. Fascinating actually.

Bilateral gynandromorphism also occasionally shows up in northern cardinals. Since male and female cardinals have different coloration, it’s easy to spot a gynandromorph—which has brown-gray "female" feathers on one half and bright red "male" feathers on the other. According to a study, gynandromorph cardinals not only look different, but they also act differently, at least the one researchers observed from 2008 to 2010.7 During that time, the “half-sider” was never seen vocalizing or mating. On the plus side, other cardinals seemed to accept it, and the researchers never witnessed it being mistreated.

I’m not quoting this to support the idea of mammals being able to change sex. It’s just really interesting.

"Things" or humans (or possibly mammals)?

Humans can't change sex, that is a biological fact.

Different animals can do lots of things humans can't do. Fly, breath underwater, run 70 mph. None of those would be relevant to a discussion about what humans can do either.