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To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

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DungOnATwig · 24/12/2025 01:10

Watching above with DD17 (lesbian) and DS11 (straight) earlier today. One scene where a female presenting (long hair + fake eyelashes) but clearly biologically male actor plays a doctor (just Dr). DS says "that......lady sounds like a man".

I said yeah it is a man love. A man who identifies as a sex they are not.

DD paused then typed a wee bit more furiously than usual for 30 secs but then was ok. She knows tbf. She's lesbian and not pan.

It was so distilled down to me at the point of his very innocent (and tentative so as not to offend question) that I am not prepared to lie to my kid about the fucking fundamentals of life and tell them that person is a woman. Fuck that.

Merry Christmas 🍷

Also FUCK THAT FILM 😭😭😭😭😭

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MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 13:09

spannasaurus · 24/12/2025 13:05

How would they know if a man had had genital surgery or not.

Ask?

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 13:08

JamieCannister · 24/12/2025 13:06

If my kids cut me off for believe that sex is real and matters, and that misogyny and homophobia are wrong, then I am afraid I will have to deal with it.

I will regard myself as an utter failure as a parent if so.

That’s your right.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 13:07

JamieCannister · 24/12/2025 13:04

What is the difference between my beliefs since being a teenager (LGB rights matter, women's rights (sex based by definition) matter, treating people differently because of their skin colour is wrong) and your belief in wokeness, in your opinion?

Sorry, probably being dense. I’m not sure what your question is?

As soon as I read wokeness, it puts me very much in mind of Nigel Farage, for example and his followers. That’s usually enough for me to dismiss that person’s opinions and I lose any interest in their arguments.

JamieCannister · 24/12/2025 13:06

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 13:01

They would probably take that choice away from you, tbh.

If my kids cut me off for believe that sex is real and matters, and that misogyny and homophobia are wrong, then I am afraid I will have to deal with it.

I will regard myself as an utter failure as a parent if so.

spannasaurus · 24/12/2025 13:05

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 13:04

That particular poster made it clear that they believe after surgery. Just thought they’d made that view obvious.

How would they know if a man had had genital surgery or not.

Gymnopedie · 24/12/2025 13:05

Cleikumstovies · 24/12/2025 08:18

Why should a lesbian get her panties in a bunch over what a trans person is described as or not?

Because according to the TRAs a lesbian who won't be in a 'lesbian' relationship with a transwoman (with a 'lady penis') is being transphobic and is subject to online abuse and death threats.

And that isn't hyperbole, it's happened. A lot more than once.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 13:04

spannasaurus · 24/12/2025 12:59

So where do people draw the line in treating some men as women?

Is it if they have gender recognition certificate stating they are legally a woman ? - that doesn't require surgery or hormones.

Or is it some other measure?

That particular poster made it clear that they believe after surgery. Just thought they’d made that view obvious.

JamieCannister · 24/12/2025 13:04

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 13:00

Not naive at all. It simply doesn’t bother me one way or the other. Neither does colour blind casting, don’t really notice it. A performance is good or it isn’t.

I’m afraid people tend to lose me at “wokeness”.

What is the difference between my beliefs since being a teenager (LGB rights matter, women's rights (sex based by definition) matter, treating people differently because of their skin colour is wrong) and your belief in wokeness, in your opinion?

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 13:02

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 12:56

I wouldn’t because I’m old enough to know that once children reach early adulthood, they’re far more likely to listen to many more people and ideas than just us or ours. They’re individuals. If they reach different conclusions to us about various things, that hardly makes us failures.

As for the paedophile scenario, I would be repulsed and want them away from society. I would not cut them off, though, no.

But if my children went along with any other harmful ideas, like racism or homophobia, then over time, as they became established adults, they have to take the full consequences of their beliefs and actions. Trans ideology is a harmful viewpoint. If my children, as say 30 year olds, supported men in women’s spaces and sports and puberty blockers etc, it would be difficult to continue a relationship, just like if they held harmful racist views.

TableRunners · 24/12/2025 13:02

MrsSlocombesCat · 24/12/2025 12:41

So are some females. But fwiw I experienced SA from actual men that weren't trans. I believe that if someone feels strongly that they are the wrong sex and goes through the horrendous surgery to achieve it they fully deserve to be called a woman. A man that just dresses like a woman is a drag artist. They've always been around.

And a man who goes through "horrendous surgery" is still a man. He can be a transwoman, I guess. But he will still be a man.

And nobody "deserves" to be a man or a woman. They just are.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 13:01

JamieCannister · 24/12/2025 12:59

I was talking generally, not about my children.

If I had a child who claimed to be trans and claimed to believe in gender ideology then I would be deeply unimpressed unless they were able to use logic reason and compassion to describe what it is to be trans and why gender ideology is a good thing (and based on 6 years of never evrer seeing anyone come close to defining trans in a meaningful way or explaining why TQ+ ideology is anything other than incoherent evil, I would fully expect them to fail).

I would tell them that they have a sexed body, they were not born in the wrong body, that trans is nothing more that the claim to be "trans", and that gender ideology is evil, and that if they support it they are homophobic, misogynistic, anti-safeguarding and pro child sterilisation based on false medical ideas. If they were unable to understand my viewpoint and recognize it's unbiased truth there'd be a problem.

I would never wish to cut them off.

They would probably take that choice away from you, tbh.

JayJayEl · 24/12/2025 13:01

Bloody hell. Can't you people take a bloody day off?! 😂😂

jeaux90 · 24/12/2025 13:01

OP I won’t lie either to DD16. I would have done the same thing. I find this identity stuff completely boundary breaking and homophobic.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 13:00

JamieCannister · 24/12/2025 12:53

I can't believe that you are so naive as not to understand that no shows "happen to have a trans actor" - they have a trans actor because the Director / writer / producer wish to push an ideology that I reject absolutely.

I hate TV or film that grates due to wokeness.

TV that involves Trans actors is TV that is pushing the ideology. That is the reality.

If there was a TV show about Roman London and there was a character who happened to be a black slave, or black soldier or ordinary black Roman I would have no issue.

But when I see Upper Class Georgian society portrayed as 30% black, or Roman Britian portrayed as a very mixed race society with loads of black native Brits it grates.

If I was aware that the latest hot new BBC crime drama was written by a white racist ethno-nationalist then I would avoid partly because I despise the BBC, and partly because I don't intend to support white racist ethno-nationalists, and partly because it is my assumption that white racist ethno-nationalists are not great screenwriters.

Not naive at all. It simply doesn’t bother me one way or the other. Neither does colour blind casting, don’t really notice it. A performance is good or it isn’t.

I’m afraid people tend to lose me at “wokeness”.

JamieCannister · 24/12/2025 12:59

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 12:45

You’d cut your children off, if they identified as trans?

I was talking generally, not about my children.

If I had a child who claimed to be trans and claimed to believe in gender ideology then I would be deeply unimpressed unless they were able to use logic reason and compassion to describe what it is to be trans and why gender ideology is a good thing (and based on 6 years of never evrer seeing anyone come close to defining trans in a meaningful way or explaining why TQ+ ideology is anything other than incoherent evil, I would fully expect them to fail).

I would tell them that they have a sexed body, they were not born in the wrong body, that trans is nothing more that the claim to be "trans", and that gender ideology is evil, and that if they support it they are homophobic, misogynistic, anti-safeguarding and pro child sterilisation based on false medical ideas. If they were unable to understand my viewpoint and recognize it's unbiased truth there'd be a problem.

I would never wish to cut them off.

spannasaurus · 24/12/2025 12:59

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 12:50

She’s very obviously said not?

So where do people draw the line in treating some men as women?

Is it if they have gender recognition certificate stating they are legally a woman ? - that doesn't require surgery or hormones.

Or is it some other measure?

blunderbuss12 · 24/12/2025 12:58

and then everybody clapped

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 12:56

JamieCannister · 24/12/2025 12:39

Sometimes, of course. If I had a child who was an unrepentent convicted paedophile I would side with those who despise paedophiles and not my unrepentent convicted paedophile child.

But more than that I think that truth will always matter and truth must always win. I believe that my relationships with my kids need protecting long term, and short term lies to keep short term peace would undermine my long term attempts.

Also, I would regard myself as an utter failure as a parent if my child claimed that sex is not real and / or does not matter.

I wouldn’t because I’m old enough to know that once children reach early adulthood, they’re far more likely to listen to many more people and ideas than just us or ours. They’re individuals. If they reach different conclusions to us about various things, that hardly makes us failures.

As for the paedophile scenario, I would be repulsed and want them away from society. I would not cut them off, though, no.

TheKeatingFive · 24/12/2025 12:53

MrsSlocombesCat · 24/12/2025 12:41

So are some females. But fwiw I experienced SA from actual men that weren't trans. I believe that if someone feels strongly that they are the wrong sex and goes through the horrendous surgery to achieve it they fully deserve to be called a woman. A man that just dresses like a woman is a drag artist. They've always been around.

Why would you think that? You see womanhood as 'reward' for suffering or taking extreme action or something? That strikes me as very strange. Being a woman is a biological state. It's not a prize.

JamieCannister · 24/12/2025 12:53

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 12:30

This. Can’t believe someone would miss out on plays, films, tv because they happen to have a trans actor.
Do they apply the same to all of the arts and literature and avoid anything created by anyone whose views/opinions/ideology you disagree with?
That would result in a very empty life indeed.

Or is it just trans-people they object to?

I can't believe that you are so naive as not to understand that no shows "happen to have a trans actor" - they have a trans actor because the Director / writer / producer wish to push an ideology that I reject absolutely.

I hate TV or film that grates due to wokeness.

TV that involves Trans actors is TV that is pushing the ideology. That is the reality.

If there was a TV show about Roman London and there was a character who happened to be a black slave, or black soldier or ordinary black Roman I would have no issue.

But when I see Upper Class Georgian society portrayed as 30% black, or Roman Britian portrayed as a very mixed race society with loads of black native Brits it grates.

If I was aware that the latest hot new BBC crime drama was written by a white racist ethno-nationalist then I would avoid partly because I despise the BBC, and partly because I don't intend to support white racist ethno-nationalists, and partly because it is my assumption that white racist ethno-nationalists are not great screenwriters.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 12:50

spannasaurus · 24/12/2025 12:48

How do you feel about the 90% of transwomen that retain their penis? Do they also fully deserve to be called a woman?

She’s very obviously said not?

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 12:50

TesChique · 24/12/2025 12:48

I know.

Reminds you of the parents who abandoned their gay children dying of aids doesnt it?

Beggars belief

Yes, it does. That was a terrible period.

spannasaurus · 24/12/2025 12:48

MrsSlocombesCat · 24/12/2025 12:41

So are some females. But fwiw I experienced SA from actual men that weren't trans. I believe that if someone feels strongly that they are the wrong sex and goes through the horrendous surgery to achieve it they fully deserve to be called a woman. A man that just dresses like a woman is a drag artist. They've always been around.

How do you feel about the 90% of transwomen that retain their penis? Do they also fully deserve to be called a woman?

TesChique · 24/12/2025 12:48

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 12:47

I just can’t understand such a rigid mindset.

I know.

Reminds you of the parents who abandoned their gay children dying of aids doesnt it?

Beggars belief

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 12:47

TesChique · 24/12/2025 12:46

She'd be doing them a favour

I hope this hill shes dying on keeps her company in her latter years when she's inevitably alone.

I just can’t understand such a rigid mindset.

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