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To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

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DungOnATwig · 24/12/2025 01:10

Watching above with DD17 (lesbian) and DS11 (straight) earlier today. One scene where a female presenting (long hair + fake eyelashes) but clearly biologically male actor plays a doctor (just Dr). DS says "that......lady sounds like a man".

I said yeah it is a man love. A man who identifies as a sex they are not.

DD paused then typed a wee bit more furiously than usual for 30 secs but then was ok. She knows tbf. She's lesbian and not pan.

It was so distilled down to me at the point of his very innocent (and tentative so as not to offend question) that I am not prepared to lie to my kid about the fucking fundamentals of life and tell them that person is a woman. Fuck that.

Merry Christmas 🍷

Also FUCK THAT FILM 😭😭😭😭😭

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ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 17:44

Merkins · 24/12/2025 17:29

Yeah, she should definitely indoctrinate them with reactionary, bigoted bullshit, it’s so much easier than saying, “She’s a trans woman”.

Maybe have a few days off for Christmas and go back to the LGBTQ bashing on Saturday. Surely 2 days without abusing a minority isn’t beyond you?

This is about the T. Nobody has said anything about LGB.

And males in dresses are not a 'minority', or marginalised. They are the oppressor and predator sex class. A wolf in sheeps clothing is still a wolf.

But I'm not indoctrinated with misogynist, reactionary anti women bigotry, so I know the difference.

To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?
MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 17:43

blunderbuss12 · 24/12/2025 12:58

and then everybody clapped

(other than OP's daughter, or her bored son)

YesSirICanNameChange · 24/12/2025 17:37

I had no idea that actress was trans, I've seen her picture before but wouldn't have been able to tell.

Interestingly (this may have already been raised but can't be arsed reading through 15 pages of Mumsnet frothing), she's voicing Madam Pomfrey in the new Audible full cast Harry Potter.

Imdunfer · 24/12/2025 17:37

I wish I knew which posters were male to female trans and have joined Mumsnet as part of the self-validation of their perceived change to being a woman. There seem to be quite a few posters whose aggression and blindness to women's concerns would suggest that's the case.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 17:33

Okiedokie123 · 24/12/2025 11:13

Interesting......... so despite the fact that there is I think? a trans day, week, month of visibility and that we are endlessly being told by the "trans community" (which is in no way a community) that those of us who object to it are "destroying their lives" and lots of other hyperbole........you are arguing that actually the fact that most of us dont identify (or in anyway support the trans cult) doesnt affect a trans persons life. Also as I said in another comment - look up "obfuscation"

The trans cult (because it is a cult) massively affects all of our lives whether male or female in so many ways. It permeates almost every aspect of day to day life in the Western world atm. Have a read/watch of books/videos and you will soon know but Im guessing you'd rather not confront the facts - should you wish to........
Trans by Helen Joyce
Irreversible damage by Abigail Shrier
Fair play by Sharron Davies
Many others also available.

Are there any other issues you think MASSIVELY affects ALL of our lives in SO MANY WAYS and which permeates ALMOST EVERY ASOECT OF DAILY LIFE in the whole of the WESTERN WORLD? Or is it only Trans with which you are so doggedly obsessed?

Okiedokie123 · 24/12/2025 17:31

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Merkins · 24/12/2025 17:29

TooMuchStop · 24/12/2025 01:55

YANBU. He is a man and you were right not to lie to your child. is your son year 6 or year 7? From year 7, he needs to be a bit clued up on trans ideology because it’ll be a topic of conversation in school.

From both of your children’s reactions, I’d be having a chat about trans ideology, how it’s a very separate thing to sexuality, that it’s a homophobic movement, the importance of biology, the harm this is doing to women, children, especially autistic people etc.

Yeah, she should definitely indoctrinate them with reactionary, bigoted bullshit, it’s so much easier than saying, “She’s a trans woman”.

Maybe have a few days off for Christmas and go back to the LGBTQ bashing on Saturday. Surely 2 days without abusing a minority isn’t beyond you?

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 17:25

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 17:23

"And also no trans people have not always existed"

I don't know what "always" means but records show existence of trans people since at least 5,000 BC. So hardly a recent development

Transvestites/crossdressers, yes. No evidence of actual transgender.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 17:23

Okiedokie123 · 24/12/2025 10:58

I am at odds with your comment in so many ways. For starters, any response that starts with "you do realise" is bothersome because its so incredibly rude and patronising.
And also no the trans debate isnt a distraction from real problems - we are all aware of those issues as well. It isnt one or the other.

And also no trans people have not always existed.

And no again - because yes actually the existence of trans people does take away from the rest of us. In lots of ways.

I recommend you look up the word "obfuscation" because like many others who hold your perspective on this topic you are good at it.

"And also no trans people have not always existed"

I don't know what "always" means but records show existence of trans people since at least 5,000 BC. So hardly a recent development

Catssuddenlyappear · 24/12/2025 17:16

TheKeatingFive · 24/12/2025 16:45

I find it very weird that you're bringing peoples genitals into it. Everyone knows what sex they are. Men should respect the law and women's rights to their own sex spaces and stay out of them.

All I can see here is a bunch of creepily obsessed people who are ruining their relationships with their children

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 17:16

SoulSearchBeHonest · 24/12/2025 09:52

It's Rebecca Root who was born male and now identifies as female in a relationship that some call lesbian with a biological female. A fairly well known actor.

In the 2019 film the trans individual Rebecca plays a doctor.

Thank you for the factual non emotive summary

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 17:11

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 24/12/2025 08:52

What's with the weird misogynistic 'panties in a bunch'?

I know. Shame that poster isn't a self respecting woman, still less a feminist

Chafing · 24/12/2025 17:08

TheKeatingFive · 24/12/2025 15:06

Well this is as extreme as the TRAs, so really?

https://terfisaslur.com/#jp-carousel-6037

This gets put on every blooming thread. Almost all the posts are 2015-20.

Can you get a more up to date version?

sleepwouldbenice · 24/12/2025 16:56

GarlicBreadStan · 24/12/2025 01:33

I don't understand why it matters so much to you.

This

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 16:49

WarriorN · 24/12/2025 06:22

you’ll be pleased to know that this precise definition is statutory RSHE as of September 2026.

we still have to be polite to these people thanks to the FWS judgement, but we can politely say, they’re men.

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No, this is not the 'precise defintion'. For posters who want to see what's actually said, the (LGB)T content is on pp 36-7 of the Statutory Guidance here - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68b8499e11b4ded2da19fd92/Relationships_education__relationships_and_sex_education_and_health_education_-_statutory_guidance.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68b8499e11b4ded2da19fd92/Relationships_education__relationships_and_sex_education_and_health_education_-_statutory_guidance.pdf

TheKeatingFive · 24/12/2025 16:49

LVhandbagsatdawn · 24/12/2025 16:48

Then I have good news for you. The subject of this thread is a film, which is not any kind of space.

Yes absolutely, but the conversation has covered more than the topic of this film.

LVhandbagsatdawn · 24/12/2025 16:48

TheKeatingFive · 24/12/2025 16:45

I find it very weird that you're bringing peoples genitals into it. Everyone knows what sex they are. Men should respect the law and women's rights to their own sex spaces and stay out of them.

Then I have good news for you. The subject of this thread is a film, which is not any kind of space.

TheKeatingFive · 24/12/2025 16:45

Catssuddenlyappear · 24/12/2025 16:31

I think someone needs to turn the internet off for the day tbh.

Can't imagine a nice family activity setting me off like this, but I guess I'm just built different*

(*I think it's very weird to speculate about people's genitals!)

I find it very weird that you're bringing peoples genitals into it. Everyone knows what sex they are. Men should respect the law and women's rights to their own sex spaces and stay out of them.

Catssuddenlyappear · 24/12/2025 16:31

I think someone needs to turn the internet off for the day tbh.

Can't imagine a nice family activity setting me off like this, but I guess I'm just built different*

(*I think it's very weird to speculate about people's genitals!)

Ablushingcrow · 24/12/2025 16:23

NipperPenrose · 24/12/2025 07:15

I find Mumsnet users to be an intelligent and understanding group until we get to the trans debate. On this subject it's a hotbed of intolerance with its inflexible and hate-filled TERF mentality. I despair.

I despair at the inability to see past the delusion that men can become women. They can't. It's unintelligent to believe that, not the other way round.

Ablushingcrow · 24/12/2025 16:15

Marinetrained · 24/12/2025 06:50

Why do you think it’s ok to have an opinion on something you know nothing about and have never looked into? This issue has been hotly debated for over a decade now. The ways that ‘trans people’ who want to be treated as the sex they are not, in all and every situation, negatively affects other people has been well articulated and evidenced.

Here’s a fun fact for you. The fact that you haven’t bothered to look into an issue, doesn’t mean that issue doesn’t exist and isn’t well known and evidenced.

Here’s another fun fact. Sound bites from your equally closed minded mates, are also not ‘facts’.

Well said, spot on.

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 16:04

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 13:55

Ah, don't you know that this is the most significant issue affecting women, globally? More so than, say, FGM, reproductive rights, violence against women, rape, discrimination, gender based poverty? After all, how can women in Yemen achieve some (e)quality of life if we have trans people? Have you not been on the FWR board (or whatever it's now called)?

Considering even Amnesty International are saying girls in third world countries need single sex toilets to stop period poverty, I would say that women and girls, including rape survivors like me, having the most basic right to a female only space when were are in a state of partial undress and are vulnerable, is VITAL to our participation in society. But I guess you simply don't have the ability to critically think too deeply about it.

Itiswhysofew · 24/12/2025 16:03

He's also a bad actual actor.

Haven't seen that film, though.

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 16:01

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/12/2025 13:09

Ask?

Aye, because taking men at their word has never, ever gone wrong for women over the centuries, has it? 🙄

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 15:58

TesChique · 24/12/2025 12:45

Well how sad for your kids that they have such an intolerant mother .

I daresay theyll alienate you first with that attitude.

And in 10-15 years time we'll see a post "dont know why my adult DC dont bother with me"

I think your attitude that womens rights and LGB rights don't matter is the intolerant attitude.

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