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To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

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DungOnATwig · 24/12/2025 01:10

Watching above with DD17 (lesbian) and DS11 (straight) earlier today. One scene where a female presenting (long hair + fake eyelashes) but clearly biologically male actor plays a doctor (just Dr). DS says "that......lady sounds like a man".

I said yeah it is a man love. A man who identifies as a sex they are not.

DD paused then typed a wee bit more furiously than usual for 30 secs but then was ok. She knows tbf. She's lesbian and not pan.

It was so distilled down to me at the point of his very innocent (and tentative so as not to offend question) that I am not prepared to lie to my kid about the fucking fundamentals of life and tell them that person is a woman. Fuck that.

Merry Christmas 🍷

Also FUCK THAT FILM 😭😭😭😭😭

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ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 19:05

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PortSalutPlease · 24/12/2025 18:58

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 15:37

Calling out sexism and misogyny is not 'bigoted'. 🙄
Unless you are an MRA.

Being transphobic is bigotry. Unless you are a bigot…. 🙄

JellySaurus · 24/12/2025 18:58

Catssuddenlyappear · 24/12/2025 18:05

Nah, this is Mumsnet. Not even Christmas is a day off from Real Feminism™

(I genuinely can't imagine thinking trans people are more of a problem than unequal pay and pensions caring responsibilities, the shit state of women's healthcare, domestic violence etc but whatever)

Unequal pay…hmmm…how on earth can you prove that women are paid less than men, if you can’t work out which sort of woman it is who is getting paid less. After all, if TWAW then women with dicks getting paid more than women with vulvas means that women aren’t paid less than men, because women with dicks are paid the same as men.

What was the other thing - health inequalities? Did you know that the vast majority of medical research is done on men, because that pesky menstrual cycle might confuse results? And then it’s just scaled down for women, because women, being generally smaller than men, can just be considered small men. Ditto for sporting matters and road safety tests, BTW. It’s only in relatively recent years that medical science, sports science and engineering are beginning to recognise that this is not the case. Although, if TWAW then it really doesn’t matter and we can just go back to men=default and women =smaller and less important men.

Honestly, the naivety of thinking that transgenderism is just about self-expression and has no effect upon the important issues of misogyny.

Alucard55 · 24/12/2025 18:46

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 18:07

This is getting so old now, but the issue is not, and never has been, 'trans' people. The issue, is MALES.

This is the point exactly. Haven't followed the full thread as it's Christmas Eve 🎄but the issue is predatory MEN. I do not care what they call their selves or what they wear but they can stay the fuck out of women's spaces and categories because they are MEN.

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 18:32

RachelGreep87 · 24/12/2025 18:29

Thank you for instilling hate into the next generation.

🙄 How did she do that? Go touch grass.

RachelGreep87 · 24/12/2025 18:29

Thank you for instilling hate into the next generation.

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 18:27

Catssuddenlyappear · 24/12/2025 18:24

"Males", a completely normal word to use here.

Is there something about the word male or males that is strange to you? Do you have a problem with the word female, too? Or man or woman?

Catssuddenlyappear · 24/12/2025 18:24

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 18:07

This is getting so old now, but the issue is not, and never has been, 'trans' people. The issue, is MALES.

"Males", a completely normal word to use here.

drspouse · 24/12/2025 18:08

MrsSlocombesCat · 24/12/2025 12:41

So are some females. But fwiw I experienced SA from actual men that weren't trans. I believe that if someone feels strongly that they are the wrong sex and goes through the horrendous surgery to achieve it they fully deserve to be called a woman. A man that just dresses like a woman is a drag artist. They've always been around.

What proportion of men who identify as trans do you think have had surgery to remove their penis?

westcott · 24/12/2025 18:08

I love that film and I have never noticed this. Even watched it yesterday. 🤷‍♀️.

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 18:07

Catssuddenlyappear · 24/12/2025 18:05

Nah, this is Mumsnet. Not even Christmas is a day off from Real Feminism™

(I genuinely can't imagine thinking trans people are more of a problem than unequal pay and pensions caring responsibilities, the shit state of women's healthcare, domestic violence etc but whatever)

This is getting so old now, but the issue is not, and never has been, 'trans' people. The issue, is MALES.

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 18:05

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 18:03

No, feminists aren't. But a worrying number of anti trans posters on Mumsnet are

I haven't seen any 'anti trans' posters on Mumsnet.

I have seen a lot of anti women/pro-MRA posters though.

You still didn't answer my question; what do you call bad-tempered unpleasant males who threaten to assault and rape and burn in a grease fire and shoot and curb stomp and skin alive feminists who say no to them?

Catssuddenlyappear · 24/12/2025 18:05

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 17:33

Are there any other issues you think MASSIVELY affects ALL of our lives in SO MANY WAYS and which permeates ALMOST EVERY ASOECT OF DAILY LIFE in the whole of the WESTERN WORLD? Or is it only Trans with which you are so doggedly obsessed?

Nah, this is Mumsnet. Not even Christmas is a day off from Real Feminism™

(I genuinely can't imagine thinking trans people are more of a problem than unequal pay and pensions caring responsibilities, the shit state of women's healthcare, domestic violence etc but whatever)

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 18:03

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 17:53

So feminists are "bad-tempered unpleasant women"... ?

And you really can't see the hateful misogyny?

Edited to add, what do you call bad-tempered unpleasant males who threaten to assault and rape and burn in a grease fire and shoot and curb stomp and skin alive feminists who say no to males? What is the male equivalent of that?

Edited

No, feminists aren't. But a worrying number of anti trans posters on Mumsnet are

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 18:01

Cindas · 24/12/2025 18:00

So, you’re bothered by an actor who is openly trans, playing a supporting role where presumably for the storyline the gender is fairly irrelevant? Why? Would you rather she didn’t get any work at all?

It must be very draining, having to be on such high alert all the time that you’re unable to have some pleasant family time watching a Christmas film with your kids without the presence of someone in it (who has done absolutely nothing wrong) ruining it for you because in your view they are presenting as the “wrong” gender. Probably best you stay away from pantos.

Where does the OP state she was 'bothered'? She asked people how they thought she answered her son's question.

That's all.

EchoedSilence · 24/12/2025 18:01

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 18:00

🤣

Merry Christmas 🍷

Cindas · 24/12/2025 18:00

So, you’re bothered by an actor who is openly trans, playing a supporting role where presumably for the storyline the gender is fairly irrelevant? Why? Would you rather she didn’t get any work at all?

It must be very draining, having to be on such high alert all the time that you’re unable to have some pleasant family time watching a Christmas film with your kids without the presence of someone in it (who has done absolutely nothing wrong) ruining it for you because in your view they are presenting as the “wrong” gender. Probably best you stay away from pantos.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 18:00

EchoedSilence · 24/12/2025 17:59

They will still be at it tomorrow. Perhaps we should hand out some sherry and Mince pies to keep their strength up.

Who cares if it's Christmas, there was a Trans woman on the Telly! 🎄

🤣

EchoedSilence · 24/12/2025 17:59

biscoffcake · 24/12/2025 17:51

15 pages of this on Christmas Eve?!? 😭😭😭

They will still be at it tomorrow. Perhaps we should hand out some sherry and Mince pies to keep their strength up.

Who cares if it's Christmas, there was a Trans woman on the Telly! 🎄

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 17:53

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 17:52

"A harridan is an old-fashioned term for a bad-tempered unpleasant woman"

If the cap fits...

So feminists are "bad-tempered unpleasant women"... ?

And you really can't see the hateful misogyny?

Edited to add, what do you call bad-tempered unpleasant males who threaten to assault and rape and burn in a grease fire and shoot and curb stomp and skin alive feminists who say no to males? What is the male equivalent of that?

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 17:52

ThatBlackCat · 24/12/2025 15:30

'harridans'

Sure you don't want to throw in 'hysterical' while you're at it? Way to prove our point about anti women misogynistic bigotry!

"A harridan is an old-fashioned term for a bad-tempered unpleasant woman"

If the cap fits...

Okiedokie123 · 24/12/2025 17:52

@MyrtlethePurpleTurtle "Are there any other issues you think MASSIVELY affects ALL of our lives in SO MANY WAYS and which permeates ALMOST EVERY ASPECT OF DAILY LIFE in the whole of the WESTERN WORLD? Or is it only Trans with which you are so doggedly obsessed?"
Women are 50% of human existence. All of us was born from a woman, therefore yes that statement is entirely correct and yes Im not going to shut up about it (and neither is anyone else who has woken up to it) going to shut up until common sense prevails.

Men cannot become women.
Women cannot become men.
Transitioning children is child abuse.

Cross dressing has been a thing for centuries, transgenderism is a modern construct.

The so called trans movement is doggedly obsessed with shouting at women but really really doesnt like us shouting back does it. Funny that.

biscoffcake · 24/12/2025 17:51

15 pages of this on Christmas Eve?!? 😭😭😭

Okiedokie123 · 24/12/2025 17:49

Cool a post of mine was deleted. For stating actual facts and science. I quite like that actually tbh.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/12/2025 17:48

TableRunners · 24/12/2025 14:02

How can you measure any of those things, or address them, if you can't say what a woman is?

Quite easily, in most cases.