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To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

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DungOnATwig · 24/12/2025 01:10

Watching above with DD17 (lesbian) and DS11 (straight) earlier today. One scene where a female presenting (long hair + fake eyelashes) but clearly biologically male actor plays a doctor (just Dr). DS says "that......lady sounds like a man".

I said yeah it is a man love. A man who identifies as a sex they are not.

DD paused then typed a wee bit more furiously than usual for 30 secs but then was ok. She knows tbf. She's lesbian and not pan.

It was so distilled down to me at the point of his very innocent (and tentative so as not to offend question) that I am not prepared to lie to my kid about the fucking fundamentals of life and tell them that person is a woman. Fuck that.

Merry Christmas 🍷

Also FUCK THAT FILM 😭😭😭😭😭

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MarvellousMonsters · 25/12/2025 23:38

ThatBlackCat · 25/12/2025 12:20

Talking about "look what you made me do"? These are you mob; own it!

“As an aside, it's strange how joyless terfs always look”

Because we should be so joyful knowing people like this exist should we @Catssuddenlyappear?

To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?
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To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/12/2025 23:30

Catssuddenlyappear · 25/12/2025 23:19

I would love to know what DD17 (lesbian, because apparently that's a relevant detail) was typing on her phone, hopefully both her and the straight 11 year old have some normal adults in their lives

As an aside, it's strange how joyless terfs always look

Those women look fairly joyful to me, maybe you’re just a misogynist.

MarvellousMonsters · 25/12/2025 23:24

Strider55 · 25/12/2025 22:49

I genuinely couldn't care less about a trans person being in the film, it was a small role and I'm assuming whatever the characters "gender identity" was had no relevance to the plot of the film.

It's interesting though, you get the "you can't even tell who is trans" people who insist that you could never tell the difference between a trans identified man and a woman, yet I remember the first time I watched this I clocked the actor was trans and a quick Google proved me correct. Rebecca Root also voices Madame Pomfrey in the new cast version of the Harry Potter audio books. It took about 5 seconds of me hearing the voice, to then think "I wonder if this person is trans" to then googling and again being proved correct.

Just proof the "you can never tell" crowd are talking rubbish

“It's interesting though, you get the ‘you can't even tell who is trans’ people who insist that you could never tell the difference between a trans identified man and a woman, yet I remember the first time I watched this I clocked the actor was trans and a quick Google proved me correct.

Rebecca Root also voices Madame Pomfrey in the new cast version of the Harry Potter audio books*. It took about 5 seconds of me hearing the voice, to then think "I wonder if this person is trans" to then googling and again being proved correct.
Just proof the ‘you can never tell’ crowd are talking rubbish “

Yes, you can always tell. Always. I honestly don’t know how some people can’t. I watched a true crime documentary recently about the disappearance of a young woman, as soon as they showed ‘her’ photo I knew it was actually a man, yet it was another 20 minutes into the programme before the police ‘discovered’ she was actually a he, like a big shock-reveal. My eyes were rolling so hard I could see yesterday.

*and I thought Harry Potter was cancelled in the trans affirming world…

Catssuddenlyappear · 25/12/2025 23:19

I would love to know what DD17 (lesbian, because apparently that's a relevant detail) was typing on her phone, hopefully both her and the straight 11 year old have some normal adults in their lives

As an aside, it's strange how joyless terfs always look

To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?
MrsSkylerWhite · 25/12/2025 23:19

Strider55 · 25/12/2025 22:49

I genuinely couldn't care less about a trans person being in the film, it was a small role and I'm assuming whatever the characters "gender identity" was had no relevance to the plot of the film.

It's interesting though, you get the "you can't even tell who is trans" people who insist that you could never tell the difference between a trans identified man and a woman, yet I remember the first time I watched this I clocked the actor was trans and a quick Google proved me correct. Rebecca Root also voices Madame Pomfrey in the new cast version of the Harry Potter audio books. It took about 5 seconds of me hearing the voice, to then think "I wonder if this person is trans" to then googling and again being proved correct.

Just proof the "you can never tell" crowd are talking rubbish

That’s you. I honestly didn’t clock her . I’m 61 with an interesting life.

FateAmenableToChange · 25/12/2025 23:04

I’d probably have said something along the lines of ‘he is a man, but people can dress however they like, and sometimes people like to wear clothes you’d typically associate with the opposite sex and that’s ok’. Because I personally think it’s really really sad that important truth has been lost in the trans ‘sex change’ fantasy.

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/12/2025 22:55

Travelled!

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/12/2025 22:52

ThatBlackCat · 25/12/2025 12:22

Can I ask you; would encountering an obvious male, a fully intact obvious male, in the ladies toilets not concern you?

Sorry, your quote didn’t appear.

No. It wouldn’t/doesnt. We’ve ravelled for years and unisex loos are very common. It’s never troubled me.

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/12/2025 22:50

No.

Strider55 · 25/12/2025 22:49

I genuinely couldn't care less about a trans person being in the film, it was a small role and I'm assuming whatever the characters "gender identity" was had no relevance to the plot of the film.

It's interesting though, you get the "you can't even tell who is trans" people who insist that you could never tell the difference between a trans identified man and a woman, yet I remember the first time I watched this I clocked the actor was trans and a quick Google proved me correct. Rebecca Root also voices Madame Pomfrey in the new cast version of the Harry Potter audio books. It took about 5 seconds of me hearing the voice, to then think "I wonder if this person is trans" to then googling and again being proved correct.

Just proof the "you can never tell" crowd are talking rubbish

MarvellousMonsters · 25/12/2025 21:45

ASimpleLampoon · 25/12/2025 04:53

Ummm, I didn't think that was a man. Are you sure she's trans?

@DungOnATwig

Yes, he is a TiM. It’s stated clearly in his IMDB bio

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2340289/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk

To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?
Peonies12 · 25/12/2025 21:20

Why do you just assume your DS is straight? Have they told you that ? Shame you’ve ruined your Christmas for such stupidity, who care how people want to dress or do make up

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/12/2025 21:16

Seagullstopitnow · 25/12/2025 15:47

No you don't 🙂

After all, you're here too!

Happy Christmas 😘

Quite 😂

JellySaurus · 25/12/2025 21:09

ilovesooty · 25/12/2025 12:00

The actor is appearing in a film. I don't see what the OP has to do with women's spaces.

Acting is a performance. At the end, the audience applaud if they approve of the performance. Or they remain silent, or boo, if they disapprove of the performance. When the audience boos the villain the actor doesn’t take it personally because it is about the character he is portraying, not himself as a person. After the performance the actor reverts to his normal self.

A man living ‘as a woman’ is a performance. The difference being that the audience are expected to applaud the performance, and to treat it as reality. If they disapprove of the performance it is taken as a personal attack upon the performer. They are certainly not allowed to express their disapproval. If they don’t want to join in with the performance it is also taken as a personal attack.

This actor expects us to see him as a woman both on and off stage. Acting invites the audience to suspend their disbelief. Trans demands that we believe.

Alucard55 · 25/12/2025 15:57

LVhandbagsatdawn · 25/12/2025 06:04

And there we have it. Trans women are "scum".

And they say there's no transphobia on MN.

Men who pretend they are women and try to enter women's single sex spaces are scum correct.

Seagullstopitnow · 25/12/2025 15:47

ilovesooty · 25/12/2025 15:37

I feel a bit sorry for people who've been camped out on here for most of yesterday and today driving the topic way beyond the OP.

No you don't 🙂

After all, you're here too!

Happy Christmas 😘

ilovesooty · 25/12/2025 15:37

I feel a bit sorry for people who've been camped out on here for most of yesterday and today driving the topic way beyond the OP.

CraggyIslandTouristBoard · 25/12/2025 15:33

ilovesooty · 25/12/2025 12:00

The actor is appearing in a film. I don't see what the OP has to do with women's spaces.

Because a number of people replied to the OP to the effect of “Why did you need to say anything about the trans identifying actor/character at all? It doesn’t affect you or anyone else if a man presents as a woman.”
Whereas in fact it absolutely affects other people, in particular girls and women. And it’s vital that people don’t fall for the TRA lies to the contrary.

ThatBlackCat · 25/12/2025 12:32

ilovesooty · 25/12/2025 12:00

The actor is appearing in a film. I don't see what the OP has to do with women's spaces.

The topic moved past just films.

ThatBlackCat · 25/12/2025 12:31

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ThatBlackCat · 25/12/2025 12:22

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/12/2025 11:35

Personally, no because encountering a transwoman in a public loo wouldn’t concern me. I was replying to another poster who said how can you establish which person had had surgery? The only way is to ask if such an encounter really causes you distress or concern. The TW is then at perfect liberty to reply or to tell the questioner to mind their own business, obviously.

As I say, such encounters do not distress me but in response to that direct question, that was the only way I could think of.

Alternatively, go about your business and let them go about theirs 🤷‍♀️

Can I ask you; would encountering an obvious male, a fully intact obvious male, in the ladies toilets not concern you?

ThatBlackCat · 25/12/2025 12:20

LVhandbagsatdawn · 25/12/2025 10:39

Ah, "look what you made me do".

I see.

Talking about "look what you made me do"? These are you mob; own it!

To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?
To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?
To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?
To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?
ThatBlackCat · 25/12/2025 12:18

LVhandbagsatdawn · 25/12/2025 06:04

And there we have it. Trans women are "scum".

And they say there's no transphobia on MN.

No! MALES who say RAPE SURVIVORS LIKE ME who need female only spaces are scum. Nothing to do with 'trans women'.

ilovesooty · 25/12/2025 12:00

JellySaurus · 25/12/2025 11:47

How about them letting us go about ours? A man entering a space where women are vulnerable, such as toilets or changing rooms, is not a neutral act. Not even if he ‘just wants to pee in peace.’ What about the women who just want to pee in peace, rather than next to a potentially predatory male? We cannot tell which male is predatory. Putting a dress on or adopting an identity does not prevent men from being predators. Quite the opposite: predators will exploit any loophole to access women and children, including putting on a dress or uttering the magical mantra.

Just as good men stay out so that bad men stand out, good trans-identifying men must stay out so that bad men stand out.

The actor is appearing in a film. I don't see what the OP has to do with women's spaces.

JellySaurus · 25/12/2025 11:47

How about them letting us go about ours? A man entering a space where women are vulnerable, such as toilets or changing rooms, is not a neutral act. Not even if he ‘just wants to pee in peace.’ What about the women who just want to pee in peace, rather than next to a potentially predatory male? We cannot tell which male is predatory. Putting a dress on or adopting an identity does not prevent men from being predators. Quite the opposite: predators will exploit any loophole to access women and children, including putting on a dress or uttering the magical mantra.

Just as good men stay out so that bad men stand out, good trans-identifying men must stay out so that bad men stand out.