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To feel like I don’t like men anymore

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Dogsinsantasuits · 23/12/2025 21:38

Not as in not attracted to them, although I am less bothered these days
It’s almost like i’m coming to a realisation that most (not all) are not great and women are infinitely stronger people.
Is this an age thing-late 40’s? Sad as I used to really like men. Now all I see around me is amazing women with men who aren’t a patch on them or dangerous and/or perverted men in the news.

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FlockOfSausages · 29/12/2025 03:15

TrishM80 · 29/12/2025 02:20

I'd absolutely bet every penny I own that you've never changed a car tyre nor would have the first clue where to start.

And I’d bet every penny I own that the majority of women on this thread are more than familiar with the toxic game of I’m too thick to understand, explain it to me repeatedly while I dismiss and insult you”

Some men are not lonely enough.

GaIadriel · 29/12/2025 03:11

FlockOfSausages · 29/12/2025 02:48

Those links aren’t peer-reviewed studies. They’re journalistic articles and opinion pieces.

Well, no, an article is clearly not a peer reviewed study - it's an article. If you want to view the studies you'll have to scroll down to the citations at the bottom and follow the links to the relevant university studies / British Journal of Criminology studies etc.

Might also be worth reminding people that the patriarchy is just a theory/opinion too, alongside the vast majority of feminism. It shouldn't really need explained but you can never be too sure when you're dealing with the type of people that think a demographic can be defined by things like femicide, which over 99.99% of men never actually ever commit.

MondeoFan · 29/12/2025 02:56

Been thinking this for a long time

GaIadriel · 29/12/2025 02:54

StressedoutTeddy845 · 29/12/2025 02:03

Yeah the easy status jobs really, really fuck me off. In a lot of households I know, men get to choose the stuff they do. Women do the shit no one wants to do. So we can't even complain because look he does XYZ, what a hero.

Honestly, I'm even starting to love my dad a lot less since I've become a mum. In the last few years I've realized just how much my mum did and how little my dad did. My parents are currently at my house visiting and my dad is so fucking useless.....I used to think he was the fun one, mum was too highly strung etc. Now I look at him with a critical eye and OMG. My poor mother, doing absolutely everything on top of working full time. My dad would.come home and put his feet up (literally). My mum would come and start dinner, mop the floors, clean some toilets. The scary thing is now they're older and retired and that dynamic is even worse. It's making me scared for my own future tbh. DH is not great but not bad enough to leave either. If I do ever leave him, I have no interest in another man ever again.

The other possibility is that you've turned into your mum and become highly strung too. 🤣 Maybe not but it's defo a possibility.

FlockOfSausages · 29/12/2025 02:48

GaIadriel · 29/12/2025 02:00

The violence, abuse, animal and child abuse and awful porn

Women perpetrate the majority of child abuse though. Quite a few studies have also found that women tend to watch more violent genres of porn than men, despite men consuming more porn overall. It's been identified as a possible trauma response and also suggested that it may be because women are more likely to have masochistic fantasies than men.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/why-are-so-many-women-searching-for-ultra-violent-porn/

https://fightthenewdrug.org/women-watch-more-violent-and-extreme-porn/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/202206/why-do-some-women-violent-porn/amp

Those links aren’t peer-reviewed studies. They’re journalistic articles and opinion pieces.

TrishM80 · 29/12/2025 02:20

FlockOfSausages · 29/12/2025 01:33

Do you realise how stupid you look being the only person in a 300 reply thread pretending not to understand what’s being discussed? Your fake confusion and emotional outbursts “bitter lesbians” is exactly what this threads about.

I would be astonished if somebody this thick is capable of changing a tyre 😀

I'd absolutely bet every penny I own that you've never changed a car tyre nor would have the first clue where to start.

iamnotalemon · 29/12/2025 02:11

StressedoutTeddy845 · 29/12/2025 02:03

Yeah the easy status jobs really, really fuck me off. In a lot of households I know, men get to choose the stuff they do. Women do the shit no one wants to do. So we can't even complain because look he does XYZ, what a hero.

Honestly, I'm even starting to love my dad a lot less since I've become a mum. In the last few years I've realized just how much my mum did and how little my dad did. My parents are currently at my house visiting and my dad is so fucking useless.....I used to think he was the fun one, mum was too highly strung etc. Now I look at him with a critical eye and OMG. My poor mother, doing absolutely everything on top of working full time. My dad would.come home and put his feet up (literally). My mum would come and start dinner, mop the floors, clean some toilets. The scary thing is now they're older and retired and that dynamic is even worse. It's making me scared for my own future tbh. DH is not great but not bad enough to leave either. If I do ever leave him, I have no interest in another man ever again.

My dad is a lazy so and so, certainly in retirement, and cooks once in a blue moon. I don’t want this life for myself thank you very much.

I’m not here to be someone’s maid. Probably helps that I don’t have children though, so not literally left holding the baby.

StressedoutTeddy845 · 29/12/2025 02:03

FlockOfSausages · 26/12/2025 22:28

When I was married my husband did those things you mentioned. But that isn’t because I was clueless, I did those things for years when I was single. He did them because he wanted to. They are easy status jobs, some of them only need to be done once a year and they were used as justification for not doing anything else.

So when I complained about the laziness he would indignantly argue that he took the cars for the mot. He was rubbish at diy and even worse with financials. So I didn’t rely on him. It might be more accurate to say I let him play out that role against my better judgement.

Yeah the easy status jobs really, really fuck me off. In a lot of households I know, men get to choose the stuff they do. Women do the shit no one wants to do. So we can't even complain because look he does XYZ, what a hero.

Honestly, I'm even starting to love my dad a lot less since I've become a mum. In the last few years I've realized just how much my mum did and how little my dad did. My parents are currently at my house visiting and my dad is so fucking useless.....I used to think he was the fun one, mum was too highly strung etc. Now I look at him with a critical eye and OMG. My poor mother, doing absolutely everything on top of working full time. My dad would.come home and put his feet up (literally). My mum would come and start dinner, mop the floors, clean some toilets. The scary thing is now they're older and retired and that dynamic is even worse. It's making me scared for my own future tbh. DH is not great but not bad enough to leave either. If I do ever leave him, I have no interest in another man ever again.

GaIadriel · 29/12/2025 02:00

The violence, abuse, animal and child abuse and awful porn

Women perpetrate the majority of child abuse though. Quite a few studies have also found that women tend to watch more violent genres of porn than men, despite men consuming more porn overall. It's been identified as a possible trauma response and also suggested that it may be because women are more likely to have masochistic fantasies than men.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/why-are-so-many-women-searching-for-ultra-violent-porn/

https://fightthenewdrug.org/women-watch-more-violent-and-extreme-porn/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/202206/why-do-some-women-violent-porn/amp

Why Are So Many Women Searching for Ultra-Violent Porn?

New data reveals that women in their droves are searching for porn with tags like "extreme brutal gangbang", "forced" and "rape".

https://www.vice.com/en/article/why-are-so-many-women-searching-for-ultra-violent-porn/

GaIadriel · 29/12/2025 01:46

Hmm, not so sure I agree about women being the stronger sex after reading the recent thread about conscription! I've never seen so many posters desperately claiming that they couldn't possibly defend their country because they'd be needed as breeders to repopulate it. Confused

Bit of a sudden departure from the usual 'we're as capable as men'/'not defined by our sex' rhetoric.

FlockOfSausages · 29/12/2025 01:33

TrishM80 · 29/12/2025 00:14

Precisely. Here's the OP:

Not as in not attracted to them, although I am less bothered these days
It’s almost like i’m coming to a realisation that most (not all) are not great and women are infinitely stronger people.
Is this an age thing-late 40’s? Sad as I used to really like men. Now all I see around me is amazing women with men who aren’t a patch on them or dangerous and/or perverted men in the news.

Nothing to do with attraction or relationships, but how women are "infinitely stronger people".

Not "infinitely stronger" enough to change a car tyre or wire a house, but "infinitely stronger" nonetheless.

Absolute manhating nonsense.

Do you realise how stupid you look being the only person in a 300 reply thread pretending not to understand what’s being discussed? Your fake confusion and emotional outbursts “bitter lesbians” is exactly what this threads about.

I would be astonished if somebody this thick is capable of changing a tyre 😀

TrishM80 · 29/12/2025 00:14

GoldsolesLugs · 28/12/2025 18:17

Go back and read the op. The thread's explicitly about how men are worse than women, not about whether OP is attracted to men or not.
Obviously anyone telling someone that their personal preferences are wrong is unreasonable.

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Precisely. Here's the OP:

Not as in not attracted to them, although I am less bothered these days
It’s almost like i’m coming to a realisation that most (not all) are not great and women are infinitely stronger people.
Is this an age thing-late 40’s? Sad as I used to really like men. Now all I see around me is amazing women with men who aren’t a patch on them or dangerous and/or perverted men in the news.

Nothing to do with attraction or relationships, but how women are "infinitely stronger people".

Not "infinitely stronger" enough to change a car tyre or wire a house, but "infinitely stronger" nonetheless.

Absolute manhating nonsense.

GoldsolesLugs · 28/12/2025 18:17

Cando6 · 28/12/2025 17:45

We (well me) are not saying that men are useless or less valuable than women. We are just saying we don’t want one.
Men are fantastic. I couldn’t live without them. I wish them all well. I just don’t want to have to live with one

Go back and read the op. The thread's explicitly about how men are worse than women, not about whether OP is attracted to men or not.
Obviously anyone telling someone that their personal preferences are wrong is unreasonable.

JHound · 28/12/2025 17:56

BoxesBoxesEverywhere · 28/12/2025 17:53

Ooh ooh we're at the point of the thread where anyone posting a different viewpoint is a man! 😁
It's so predictable it's actually funny now

I mean in fairness if somebody is constantly complaining women only like dating losers you can see why people would assume they were male.

It would be a weird thing for a woman to care about.

BoxesBoxesEverywhere · 28/12/2025 17:53

Dogsinsantasuits · 28/12/2025 15:35

Guy….?

Ooh ooh we're at the point of the thread where anyone posting a different viewpoint is a man! 😁
It's so predictable it's actually funny now

Cando6 · 28/12/2025 17:45

We (well me) are not saying that men are useless or less valuable than women. We are just saying we don’t want one.
Men are fantastic. I couldn’t live without them. I wish them all well. I just don’t want to have to live with one

FlockOfSausages · 28/12/2025 16:06

Dogsinsantasuits · 28/12/2025 15:35

Guy….?

I don’t know for certain but I don’t know any women who react with anger and mockery to women having autonomy. I do know there are a number of men who camouflage themselves with a neutral or female name and use this space to side against women, consistently across multiple threads.

They are not debating, they are acting out a grievance and an ideology.

Dogsinsantasuits · 28/12/2025 15:35

FlockOfSausages · 28/12/2025 15:11

The poster who calls themselves Trish has a long posting history that consists of angrily telling women their feelings are wrong and bitterly complaining that women only like losers. The mere hint of a woman having the audacity to think for herself has “Trish” frothing.

Guy….?

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FlockOfSausages · 28/12/2025 15:11

The poster who calls themselves Trish has a long posting history that consists of angrily telling women their feelings are wrong and bitterly complaining that women only like losers. The mere hint of a woman having the audacity to think for herself has “Trish” frothing.

JHound · 28/12/2025 13:21

TrishM80 · 28/12/2025 13:13

So what you're saying is that women are reliant on men's labour for transport, heating, electricity, indoor sanitation and all other manner of tasks that make life worth living?

But this thread is telling us that men are useless incompetent idiots?

We are talking about romantic partnership not general labour participation.

If you don’t have the intellectual capacity to grasp that, despite it being stated repeatedly then I am not sure what to say.

If you want to start a separate thread on the value of men and women’s paid and unpaid labour contribution to broader society, feel free.

But I am not interested in your sealioning so stop tagging me in off topic comments.

TrishM80 · 28/12/2025 13:13

JHound · 28/12/2025 12:51

You mean they rely on paid services?

I don’t need a male romantic partner to manage any of the above. Which is what this thread is about. And a lot of the things above I don’t do as I have no need (no car that needs upkeep, no lawn that needs mowing. Basic DIY is done by me, my landlord or I pay somebody to recover my time.)

Paying for services doesn’t mean you need a male partner anymore than a man paying for cleaning services means he needs a female partner.

So what you're saying is that women are reliant on men's labour for transport, heating, electricity, indoor sanitation and all other manner of tasks that make life worth living?

But this thread is telling us that men are useless incompetent idiots?

JHound · 28/12/2025 12:58

StopBothering · 26/12/2025 20:40

That realisation crystallised more than a decade ago, incidentally, a few days after Christmas, which is when we split. He hadn't got me anything at all, because he "wasn't even sure what I was interested in" and I hadn't pointed to something specific and said "I want it". It was a genuine eye-opener. After half a decade together, talking endlessly about life, sharing hobbies, likes and dislikes, travelling, going to lectures, museums, concerts, festivals, gigs, trips.

Most men do not care about a woman's inner world.

It's devastating to realise initially, but like much of patriarchy, when you have seen it for what it is that first time, you can never un-see it again. And you always recognise it again instantly, moving forward.

I have said this before but seeing things online about couples being asked about their relationship is depressing. When asked what they like most about their partner, women always describe an aspect of his character and men always describe how she makes his life easier / services she provides him.
She values his individuality, he values having a bangmaid and almost any woman playing that role well will do.

A feminist I follow advises her female followers to ask any many they are dating two questions:

  1. What do you like about me
  2. What do you know about me.
Many men struggle to answer that question about female partners beyond listing services she provides and superficial characteristics. Her inner self simply does not interest them.
JHound · 28/12/2025 12:54

Jade3450 · 26/12/2025 22:21

I find the opposite. My conversations with my female friends revolve around our kids. When they were little it was sleep/feeding etc, now it’s schools/university applications. It’s so so dull.

My conversations with men are much deeper - politics, business, world events. Also sometimes silly stuff just to make each other laugh, but it’s so much more engaging.

Like attracts like (as is evident with you and your female friends.) I note no gender distinction in My circles.
Parents tend to discuss kids more than non-parents but that’s it.

JHound · 28/12/2025 12:51

Jade3450 · 26/12/2025 20:07

I don’t think this is true. Most of the married women I know over 45 have no idea about a whole load of necessary things - they don’t mow the lawn, light the fire or do anything to do with cars (including MOTs, services, repairs, maintenance).

They don’t do any of the financials either, like remortgaging, insurance, investments etc.

They don’t fix things around the house or do any kind of DIY.

I do all these things and have learnt how to do them because I live alone, but most women I know don’t have a clue.

Women rely on men a lot more than they think.

You mean they rely on paid services?

I don’t need a male romantic partner to manage any of the above. Which is what this thread is about. And a lot of the things above I don’t do as I have no need (no car that needs upkeep, no lawn that needs mowing. Basic DIY is done by me, my landlord or I pay somebody to recover my time.)

Paying for services doesn’t mean you need a male partner anymore than a man paying for cleaning services means he needs a female partner.

BlackCatDiscoClub · 26/12/2025 22:48

I used to prefer the company of men because they were often more jokey or talked about things I was interested in. As I got older I realised that they wanted to be listened to more than actually have a conversation. Now I find my female friendships are so much more full, just as hilarious but also able to be deep and broad and have much more range.

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