To feel like I don’t like men anymore

Many - most - adults of oil rig age have children. Mums, luckily, recognise that being present to bring up their children is one of the most important jobs ever, so would rule out such a job.

I don't agree that women are stronger than men. I don't know in what sense it was meant ,but I just disagree.

There's a lot of mistrust and dislike for men on Mumsnet and although nobody can deny the high rates of violence against women and girls, I still think it's a form of prejudice that we see on Mumsnet. To have this issue with half the population and to need to avoid men because of it, men in your family , men you work with or men you encounter in any part of life, is to my mind a problem and I'm glad I don't have it.

Anyone on this thread with grown up sons? How do you feel about them?

ie, is it a generational thing and hopefully the younger men will be better? Or is it innate biology?

But if practicality all men are useless shits, and practically all women are amazing competent superwomen, or so we're led to believe on this thread, how come there isn't even one all-female oil rig in the North Sea for example?

Why are they all operated by useless, incompetent men?

I'm early 60s, felt that way since childhood tbh. It's got stronger as I've got older and quite honestly I think there is something deeply wrong with men. I'm not even going to say namalt.

That’s just statistically untrue @SillyNavyTiger. Men commit something like 94% of crimes, 98% of sexual crimes so - absolutely obviously - parents are wary of men doing those intimate jobs.
you carry on being a handmaiden as you like, no judgement from me as I was one too, I’m 100% sure once you hit 50, you’ll cringe and join in with the majority on these threads.

Plenty of things. Until you have kids, life is easy, isn't it?

It's when you throw a child in the mix and you have a million things to do and another person to prioritise that the veil comes off.

It didn't matter if he was selfish before. I was selfish too. We all are, really until kids come along.

I could have written the OP. How do they get away with being so shit and as another poster said “the hormonal veil” has been lifted. I’ve bought myself Xmas presents this year so I won’t be disappointed by DH but why logically have I hoped he would pull it out of the bag one year instead of just sorting myself?! I’m just letting him get on with it and leading my best life whilst trying to stay married. Any advice on how to do this (can’t afford a divorce as kids in private) do let me know. Although I must admit a few pumps of estrogel helps me hate them less!

It's all the violence in the world ,the wars ,the rapes ,the murders..it's nearly all men

This!

How does a man working as a plumber stop him being useless in a domestic setting?!

I cant speak for all men but I have felt failed by all the men in my life. Dh is soft and kind but clearly neurodiverse. I take on most of life planning. My dad... no longer see him was very selfish and aggressive. My mum married another 3 men... horrible people.

You seem to think being an “amazing and competent” person is specific to doing specific jobs.

Which is a breathtakingly stupid point and I was pointing that out.

There are professions that are male dominated

There are professions that are female dominated.

So?

As I get older, I like men less (I am 36).

People wanting a same sex Dr typically have a reason for that.

What attracted you to him initially?

I’m older (late 50’s) and feel the same. I know to many fabulous, attractive, intelligent, articulate, full of life older women who have been single by choice for years as the men on offer just aren’t appealing.

Are you genuinely suggesting the absence of female electricians disproves women’s experiences in relationships?
Because those are… not the same conversation.

Being bored by a topic often means you’re not the one carrying the consequences.

huh? I am not sure you are making the point you think you are.

Why can't women be mechanic, plumber, electrician or builder? You don't need a penis? Women are surgeons, air force pilot.. they are perfectly able to become mechanics or plumbers?

I expect that’s coming very soon, and personally I can’t wait. I would employ a female for a trade over a male any day. I just googled it out of interest, I might look more properly later but it’s suggesting a 300% increase in women doing these qualifications in recent years. Photo won’t load immediately but research it if you’d like, rather than trying to denigrate women, which won’t work on here.

on the other hand, the poor guys who try to be midwives, work in nurseries, in school even get faced with such a barrage of abuse (at least on MN, people are more normal in real life) that you can't blame them for selecting a different profession.

Women even refused to be seen by male doctors in A&E! If you are that picky, you shouldn't be clogging A&E in the first place, obviously it could wait 😂. It's not even that funny, people who dont' get seen on time suffer severe health consequence, but it's ok to for some precious (non-urgent) patient to try to get special treatment.

All I am saying is that people are just as distasteful as each other, male or female can be just as bad.

Because they are amazing and competent in different jobs. Duh!

Who don't these amazing competent women set up their own all-female trade companies, no men allowed?

For builder and mechanic - probably because it isn’t very appealing to work in a male dominated environment, cos, men.

plumber and electrician - I’m thinking we will start to see many more women coming through in these trades in the next decade.

No peri here and I agree. Let’s not blame hormones shall we? They do that to us all the time. It’s far more likely that you’ve encountered enough men to know how disappointing they all are

I agree. I'm only 35 but I have a toddler, my first child. The rose tinted glasses are well and truly off.

I carried and birthed a baby, with long term damage to my health.

Cared for and have been doing everything for said baby/toddler.

I am the main earner, working much longer hours as I am more ambitious than him.

I have the responsibility for absolutely everything, DH wouldn't even know how to pay the bills.

But because he cooks (does not clean after), does bath time and plays with his son, I am supposed to be grateful and count myself lucky.

I now look around me and really notice how little the other men do as well.

One of my friends' DH is a SAHD. The second she enters the house, he hands over the child. So she is at work 9-6, then has full responsibility while she is at home and at weekends because his work day has ended. Can you imagine any SAHM do that?