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iamsoashamedofmyself · 23/12/2025 18:03

I’m aware I’m going to get absolutely destroyed for this. My dad has three children. Me, and two older daughters by his first wife.

His first wife insists that at Christmas she cannot be without her daughters. She refuses. So my dad has never had a Christmas dinner with all of his children present. His ex refuses to even entertain the idea of us all having dinner together. My older sister has a child now and he has never seen his grandchild at Christmas. His first wife times the days so that there is no time for us to see them.

We do a redo on Boxing Day (with dinner and the trimmings) every year but it’s not the same is it? For the last thirty years my dad has never enjoyed Christmas. He has always made sure there was magic there when I was younger, but every year I can tell it breaks his heart that he’s not getting to see his whole family.

This is where the awful thoughts come in. Sometimes I wish his first wife would just die. I know it would destroy my sisters and i hate myself for even daring to think it, but god I wish my dad could have just one good Christmas, with everyone. I wish we could just have one good Christmas as a family. Hearing everyone discussing their Christmas plans at work, knowing that our Christmas Day will be horrendous, breaks my heart. I just wish she wasn’t so selfish and could let my dad have one good Christmas.

OP posts:
bellhawk · 23/12/2025 20:26

It sounds like an awful situation, so unfair of the ex-wife to dig her heels in every year and insist you are the problem for 'being born'.

I hope if the situation doesn't change your father can learn to see the positives of the festive days he does get to spend with all of you together. It's a tough one but you might need to just wait it out and do xmas on Christmas Eve etc in the meantime. The ex-wife can't win if you are all enjoying yourselves regardless of her dramatics.

I would also suggest for your peace of mind you try to engage less with the vitriol this woman has for you - I know it's tempting but she clearly has a screw loose. It shouldn't be unreasonable to ask your sisters not to show you the messages / report back what she says about you in future. The less you think and know about this woman the better.

Jade3450 · 23/12/2025 20:26

Dollybantree · 23/12/2025 20:22

I’m not sure how anyone can defend a woman who threatens to slit their wrists if their children decide to spend time with their father on any given day of the year. She sounds so bitter and unhappy.. and awful.

I don’t think anyone is defending the woman - simply saying they can understand why the sisters wouldn’t want to leave her alone at Christmas, if that was the case.

What most people seem to be agreeing on though is that the father is a pathetic, miserable, victim-complexy wanker to be running his new wife and other DD’s Christmas for however many years bc “he can only enjoy Christmas if his other DD’s are there too”. I don’t believe a word of it. And if it is true and this loser of a man eventually did get his other DD’s round on Christmas Day I bet he’d find something else to be miserable about.

It sounds to me like he just enjoys ruining yours and your dm’s Christmas OP.

I think it’s that OP wants to ruin the first wife’s Christmas…

Jade3450 · 23/12/2025 20:25

Hmm.

OP, I don’t think you’re bothered about this because your Dad wants to have all of you together on Christmas Day.

I think you’d like to punish your Dad’s first wife by making her spend Christmas Day on her own, without her daughters and grandchild.

Perhaps you should examine your motives a bit more honestly.

Dollybantree · 23/12/2025 20:24

Oh, and if this is true (which I doubt) and your “d”f would throw a roast dinner you’d cooked in the bin bc he’d rather sit and mope over his microwave meal then he is an abusive piece of shit.

Are you taking any of this in OP?

MoosesareREAL · 23/12/2025 20:23

Just to recap you want your sisters’ mum to die so that your sisters will spend Christmas with your dad… yea YABU. They’re adults now and they can choose to do that now and they have decided against it….

venus7 · 23/12/2025 20:22

iamsoashamedofmyself · 23/12/2025 18:25

He’s upset because 40 years on his ex wife is still hell bent on making his life miserable.

Only because he allows it; if he celebrated, instead of throwing food in the bin because 'it's not worth it', she couldn't. Not that I think she is. How old are you OP? Do you have a partner?

Dollybantree · 23/12/2025 20:22

I’m not sure how anyone can defend a woman who threatens to slit their wrists if their children decide to spend time with their father on any given day of the year. She sounds so bitter and unhappy.. and awful.

I don’t think anyone is defending the woman - simply saying they can understand why the sisters wouldn’t want to leave her alone at Christmas, if that was the case.

What most people seem to be agreeing on though is that the father is a pathetic, miserable, victim-complexy wanker to be running his new wife and other DD’s Christmas for however many years bc “he can only enjoy Christmas if his other DD’s are there too”. I don’t believe a word of it. And if it is true and this loser of a man eventually did get his other DD’s round on Christmas Day I bet he’d find something else to be miserable about.

It sounds to me like he just enjoys ruining yours and your dm’s Christmas OP.

NoelEdmondsHairGel · 23/12/2025 20:19

You and your dad sound very petulant over this. You can choose to have a good time you know.

NiceCupOfChai · 23/12/2025 20:18

I get it OP. I know plenty of grown adults who are totally controlled by their mothers, and wouldn’t dare go against their wishes
because of the emotional manipulation that would come their way if they did.

That said, your dad is choosing to mope over this and he could choose not to.

Have you thought of moving your family celebration to Christmas Eve or even the Sunday before Christmas so everyone is still fresh? You could then have very chilled low expectation Boxing Day together.

Christmascherry · 23/12/2025 20:18

This sounds very dramatic tbh! Lots of people never spend Christmas Day with their siblings, children or parents. I cannot remember the last time I spent Christmas Day with my siblings or parents. Maybe 20 years ago or more.

ibuprofenhead · 23/12/2025 20:16

Fabulous drip drip drip feed in this thread. Get over yourself.

Testingthetimes · 23/12/2025 20:16

I’m not sure how anyone can defend a woman who threatens to slit their wrists if their children decide to spend time with their father on any given day of the year. She sounds so bitter and unhappy.. and awful.

I can only imagine how sick and bored you are of this still being a ‘thing’ decades later.
you are entitled to think and feel any way you want.
I just hope you can understand why your sisters are they way they are and make the choices they do so that all of this doesn’t spillover and cause more damage for you all..

iamsoashamedofmyself · 23/12/2025 20:16

k1233 · 23/12/2025 19:52

It sounds like she threatens them to make them have Christmas with her by eg stopping all childcare.

@iamsoashamedofmyself why don't you all have a chat about what could be done differently next year. Celebrating with dinner and presents on Christmas Eve is a good idea. Could they come by and you all do Christmas breakfast then they go to their mum.

Edited

I think I’m going to try. She tries to derail everything - last year she “went missing” on his birthday and my sisters had to leave early.

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iamsoashamedofmyself · 23/12/2025 20:15

venus7 · 23/12/2025 20:06

It's very clear you resent her; I'm sure she knows it too.
If she didn't exist, nor would your half sisters.
Your father doesn't have a 'whole family' as he has two.
Why just a ready made meal? Makes you feel more of a victim?

She’s also made it clear though that she hates me, so I think it’s neither here nor there

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Zanatdy · 23/12/2025 20:15

Why not move your day to Christmas eve instead of boxing day? Solves the problem of hungover sisters

OtherS · 23/12/2025 20:15

How old are you all? I assume you're still very young if you have two sisters over 15 years older than you, and there's so far only one grandchild... And your whole life you've had a terrible Christmas because your dad sulks because his elder daughters choose to spend it with their mum instead of him? And they are choosing - they must presumably be well into their 30s, they really are very capable of telling their mother that they want a Christmas with their father if they want to. They don't want to.

My brother lived abroad for years, I would be very upset if my parents had decided to half-arse Christmas with packet roasts and bored expressions as they felt there was no point making the effort for just me! If this is all true, it's really not ok. Your dad's ex might be a nightmare, though it would in fairness be pretty shit for her to be all alone while her kids leave her to see their father, who has a whole new family. But your father's behaviour is absolutely shocking, what a dreadful way to treat you and your mum! You deserve a proper Christmas too, and if that means you and your mum cook a roast and eat it between just the two of you whilst he sulks and has a bag of crisps, tough!

Dollybantree · 23/12/2025 20:12

How old are you OP?

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 23/12/2025 20:11

Good god, what a boring non-problem to be so worked up about. Why don’t you just have a nice Christmas Day with your mum so that your dad doesn’t ruin it with his misery? Is he really intent on wasting the rest of his christmases feeling sorry for himself about not spending the day with his daughters? Have another ‘family day’ at some other point in the year. Wicked ex-wife needn’t know anything about it

LimpysGotCancer · 23/12/2025 20:11

I've got multiple (young) children and so have accepted that when they grow up, I might not get to see them all on the same day at the same time, just due to them having their own lives and families. This is the case for lots of people. I know some parents whose children live in other countries - and stay there for Christmas!

I can't see it being that big a deal. And what I absolutely would not do is throw a tantrum and cast a black mood over the child who is there. Your dad is behaving awfully towards you and your mum.

venus7 · 23/12/2025 20:09

iamsoashamedofmyself · 23/12/2025 18:14

For what? There’s no point because it’s just not a celebration at all.

You have your non celebration then.......why not eat gruel? Ready made, of course.

Zanatdy · 23/12/2025 20:07

His daughters are adults now so can choose. Invite them next year

venus7 · 23/12/2025 20:06

iamsoashamedofmyself · 23/12/2025 18:11

I know I’m vile and I don’t wish her dead in that I hope something happens to her. It’s more I wish she wasn’t here. Like she just didn’t exist. Despite having been divorced from my dad for nearly forty years she still finds ways to make his life miserable and i resent her so much for it.

It's very clear you resent her; I'm sure she knows it too.
If she didn't exist, nor would your half sisters.
Your father doesn't have a 'whole family' as he has two.
Why just a ready made meal? Makes you feel more of a victim?

KimuraTan · 23/12/2025 20:05

Where is your mum in all of this? Apologies if I missed it.

having bad thoughts is human - it doesn’t make you an evil person. Try and grasp what you can and enjoy time with your Dad.

Dollybantree · 23/12/2025 20:04

iamsoashamedofmyself · 23/12/2025 18:20

If I cooked a roast it would get binned, all he wants is to spend one Christmas with all his children together, like she gets to every year.

Why would your roast get binned?

Surely this is a wind up? 😂

Dollybantree · 23/12/2025 20:01

Only2daystogo · 23/12/2025 18:11

Sounds like he is choosing to be miserable and make everyone else miserable.

A much more succinct way of saying what I was trying to say - he needs to stop being a mard arse and ruining yours and your dm’s Christmas. What an arse.