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The bloody service charge!

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Ilovemychocolate · 23/12/2025 08:55

Went out to eat twice yesterday…we are in Bath for a festive visit.
Both times our bill came with service charge added.
Both times I sent it back and requested they remove the service charge.
Now I know it’s Christmas, but adding the service charge, without informing the customer it’s completely their choice to pay it, is a year round practise.
I am not against tipping, but it infuriates me when it’s automatically added to my bill with the expectation I will pay it!
An I unreasonable to ask the restaurant to remove it every time?

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MrsLizzieDarcy · 23/12/2025 13:57

We went to a small country pub for our work christmas meal, there were 15 of us and one person waiting the table all evening. When the bill came, they'd add a service charge of £90 onto the £900 + bill. It did leave a bit of a nasty taste to be honest, they should include it on the food. This isn't America, I hated that part of being in NYC.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 23/12/2025 13:56

I put you are yabu by mistake, sorry
I think the service charge is cheeky as fuck. I understand why it was started in the US but here in UK I think we are pretty generous.
Nobody tipped me when I worked in retail years ago. Why do people who bring food to us deserve extra money? I tip but why??😂

LittleBitofBread · 23/12/2025 13:55

Thortour · 23/12/2025 13:45

My DD works in a restaurant. It's hard, long hours and when people don't pay the service charge it means she earns considerably less. What she can never understand is that the customer will be happy and thankful for the service they've received. Management couldn't care less it has no impact on them just the overworked staff.
Yesterday they did a corporate event. She worked 12 hours with no break and they also didn't pay the service
People are mean.

Restaurants could just fold in the service charge into the prices and pay staff better.

Cosyblankets · 23/12/2025 13:55

DinoLil · 23/12/2025 09:31

Urgh, drives me mad! I went on a works Christmas do a few years back, everyone had left a tip. There was just me and one colleague left at the end because we were having a good old gossip, everyone else had gone. We were presented with a service charge of £70! Really ruined a great night out and we never went back. The two of us had to point out that everyone had tipped and paid well over the bill amount (there were a few of us) and we weren't going to pay £70. The manager came out and argued with us, said we had to pay. We didn't, we just got up and left.

Usually it's standard with a big group so surely you just divide the total inc service between you so that means your colleagues didn't pay enough

Crushed23 · 23/12/2025 13:53

Thortour · 23/12/2025 13:45

My DD works in a restaurant. It's hard, long hours and when people don't pay the service charge it means she earns considerably less. What she can never understand is that the customer will be happy and thankful for the service they've received. Management couldn't care less it has no impact on them just the overworked staff.
Yesterday they did a corporate event. She worked 12 hours with no break and they also didn't pay the service
People are mean.

Plenty of jobs are “hard, long hours” though, why should (some) hospitality jobs be singled out? If she were a barista on her feet for 10 hours making coffee, toasting sandwiches, clearing tables etc. she wouldn’t get anything extra. Why is taking orders from customers who are seated and carrying plates back and forth worthy of more pay? This is what people are rightly questioning. And that’s before you get to physically demanding, minimum wage paying, non-hospitality jobs like stacking shelves in a supermarket or working in a factory.

usedtobeaylis · 23/12/2025 13:53

I do find it annoying in the sense of the posts have, inadvertently or otherwise, highlighted - that you remove it for poor service instead if add it for good service. I always tip regardless but there should be no default, and especially not via card.

CandiedPrincess · 23/12/2025 13:52

MILLYmo0se · 23/12/2025 13:41

What is the legal situation re service charge and tips in the UK? Does the service charge go to the company? Does it have to be shared between staff? If so just floor staff or everyone?

My kids work uses the tronc system.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/e24-tips-gratuities-service-charges-and-troncs/guidance-on-tips-gratuities-service-charges-and-troncs

Havanananana · 23/12/2025 13:51

MILLYmo0se · 23/12/2025 13:41

What is the legal situation re service charge and tips in the UK? Does the service charge go to the company? Does it have to be shared between staff? If so just floor staff or everyone?

Since 2024, by law in the UK the service charge has to be shared amongst all of the staff.

That legislation was required to ensure that sharing actually happened and that restaurants didn't keep the service charge themselves says much about certain employers attitudes towards their staff.

The new law banning employers from pocketing staff tips | The Independent

The new law banning employers from pocketing staff tips

Hospitality industry bosses are not happy about the move

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-tipping-law-staff-share-b2621455.html

carrythecan · 23/12/2025 13:51

MILLYmo0se · 23/12/2025 13:41

What is the legal situation re service charge and tips in the UK? Does the service charge go to the company? Does it have to be shared between staff? If so just floor staff or everyone?

If it’s optional then it legally has to be split between all staff and the company cannot keep it.

CandiedPrincess · 23/12/2025 13:50

Thortour · 23/12/2025 13:45

My DD works in a restaurant. It's hard, long hours and when people don't pay the service charge it means she earns considerably less. What she can never understand is that the customer will be happy and thankful for the service they've received. Management couldn't care less it has no impact on them just the overworked staff.
Yesterday they did a corporate event. She worked 12 hours with no break and they also didn't pay the service
People are mean.

But also, it's not up to other people to make up wages. We should be paying people decent salaries.

The service charge or tip is not a given.

And both my kids work hospitality.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 23/12/2025 13:49

DinoLil · 23/12/2025 09:31

Urgh, drives me mad! I went on a works Christmas do a few years back, everyone had left a tip. There was just me and one colleague left at the end because we were having a good old gossip, everyone else had gone. We were presented with a service charge of £70! Really ruined a great night out and we never went back. The two of us had to point out that everyone had tipped and paid well over the bill amount (there were a few of us) and we weren't going to pay £70. The manager came out and argued with us, said we had to pay. We didn't, we just got up and left.

Good for you (getting up and leaving)

Thortour · 23/12/2025 13:45

My DD works in a restaurant. It's hard, long hours and when people don't pay the service charge it means she earns considerably less. What she can never understand is that the customer will be happy and thankful for the service they've received. Management couldn't care less it has no impact on them just the overworked staff.
Yesterday they did a corporate event. She worked 12 hours with no break and they also didn't pay the service
People are mean.

EatMoreChocolate44 · 23/12/2025 13:44

When service charge is added on I don't tip, no service charge I usually tip 10/15%. I think you do expect it at Christmas and the staff are absolutely run off their feet so it wouldn't bother me.

carrythecan · 23/12/2025 13:44

Lots of inaccuracies on this thread. The facts are Service Charge is taxable income. How much tax is due varies on how the Service Charge is processed. If it is processed via a Tronc, then only PAYE is applicable, so no National Insurance. All employees get an equable split of the charge, so includes chefs, cleaners, kitchen porters, etc. The business does not keep any of it. No VAT is chargeable on it.

The reason so many businesses charge it now, is to give employees more money, without directly increasing higher costs to the customer. If wages to staff were just increased, then the price of food would be increased, not only to cover the wage difference, but to also cover NI & more importantly 20% VAT. So that £5 extra would be over £6 extra and mandatory. When it is discretionary (which it always should be in my option), if service is poor, or you are struggling, then it should be removed with no questions asked.

The other reason is so many people don’t carry cash that traditional cash tips had dropped massively. This was made worse when chains started adding a service charge, so many customers expected it to be included and did not tip at all. The result is more and more venues adding the charge on.

As to why hospitality workers should get it and not other industries is arguable. Someone mentioned that staff don’t get holiday or sick pay, which is incorrect, hospitality staff have to be paid holiday pay and statutory sick pay in line with the law. However, it is arguably a very tough physical job, with long hours, short breaks and unsociable rotas. Most good staff do all this with a smile.

The charge is massively appreciated by hospitality staff, but they usually have no say in whether it is charged or how much it is, so if you don’t want to pay it, then don’t, but please don’t give the staff grief about it.

MILLYmo0se · 23/12/2025 13:41

What is the legal situation re service charge and tips in the UK? Does the service charge go to the company? Does it have to be shared between staff? If so just floor staff or everyone?

Bruisername · 23/12/2025 13:39

Taxi drivers are most likely self employed so the tip situation is different to minimum wage employees

and the restaurant can’t use the SC to supplement minimum wage

ColourThief · 23/12/2025 13:30

ColdAsAWitches · 23/12/2025 09:38

I don't know if you are deliberately stirring, but that is a miserable tip.

Better than mine, I refuse to tip at all.

As I have said many times before, if I didn’t tip the midwives that saved my baby’s life then why on earth am I tipping someone for carrying food to my table?

Big fat pass.

I’ve worked shitty low paid jobs before and not expected tips, why is it expected that hospitality jobs are?

IDontHateRainbows · 23/12/2025 13:30

I ask them to take it.off and say id prefer to leave a cash tip of my own choosing.

If its really shit, i'll leave some coppers to make a point.

MungoforPresident · 23/12/2025 13:29

I am with those who say they don't understand why we must tip at all for people in certain jobs but not for others.

Employers should ensure that the employee's full remuneration is correctly calculated and paid from the general income of the business; there should be sufficient margin in the food and drinks to pay staff without asking for tips. Or if asking for tips is the way to go and widely accepted, then we should all do it and ask for tips because we are serving people in other ways.

I don't see why hospitality (and taxis) are any different from other service businesses. We do not get asked for hefty tips when we have stayed at a Travelodge so they can fund their cleaners and room staff.

Sadly, these tip-driven businesses are using tips to prop up the employee remuneration they should be paying themselves. If they cannot afford to pay a good salary, they shouldn't be trading.

gogomomo2 · 23/12/2025 13:27

Most places add it now but you can have it removed, what’s the problem with that

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/12/2025 13:26

I met friends in a fairly average restaurant where there was a £7 a head cover charge and a mandatory £5 a head service charge - meaning that in effect, the four of us had already racked up a £48 bill before we'd even ordered or eaten anything

London presumably, @Havanananana? No doubt it happens, but I've never seen it anywhere else in the UK

Crushed23 · 23/12/2025 13:25

Saladmess · 23/12/2025 13:16

What is the same about these 2 things?

  1. Scanning food where the customers brings it to the till themselves and takes it away themselves
  2. having to put a smile on for 10 hours, carry a lot of heavy things back & forth hundreds of times and clear peoples plates & mess, whilst making sure all customers feel delighted
Gosh can’t believe how tight some people are!

What about stacking shelves for 10 hours, moving heavy things back and forth hundreds of times? Clearing up messy shelves where customers have misplaced items, all while remaining friendly and helpful to customers on the shop floor who constantly ask you questions?

I presume you gladly tip supermarket staff too?

femfemlicious · 23/12/2025 13:22

I didn't know you could ask for it to be removed 😳

Alpacajigsaw · 23/12/2025 13:21

Megifer · 23/12/2025 09:34

Ive never paid service charge and would tip about £5 if the bill was say £200 and service was good.

Jesus, last of the big spenders.

I don’t mind a service charge, I usually tip anyway and it saves me having to tell them to round up the bill/scrabble around for cash which I never have.

As for tipping in general I’m torn, I do leave tips but equally I understand other minimum wage workers don’t get tips eg retail, care so why is hospitality singled out.

Fionasapples · 23/12/2025 13:18

I don't mind, as long as the service is good. The charge is usually made obvious on either the bill or menu or both.
I enjoy it if I'm with SIL and BIL, they're tighter than a camel's bum in a sandstorm and they never tip. If there's a service charge they have to tip, unless they ask for their half of the service charge to be removed whilst we make it known we're happy to pay our half.