To feel bad for Daniella Westbrook, Katie Price, and the like?

@Vitriolinsanity I just can’t imagine my children going to parties at 14 where coke was offered around. Being offered a beer or cider is one thing, but she must’ve been around adults with no supervision.

The recent DW article was interesting in that it mentioned a number of her peer actresses: Michelle Keegan, Suranne Jones etc. At the same age I don’t recall them being better than DW who was fab in EE but you can’t help wondering if DW had had better advice or support would things have turned out differently.

On the other hand, she lived locally to me for a while and was widely regarded as an utter cow. KP also lived locally and paraded an utter local prick on telly. So, you know, maybe it is actually them.

I have a soft spot for Daniella as I remember when she was first on Eastenders in the 1990’s. I read somewhere that she was first offered cocaine at 14- how the heck did that happen? She clearly wasn’t being safeguarded and if an addiction starts that young, it must be so difficult to escape, your brain and body aren’t even fully developed.

I know that some people like Drew Barrymore overcome early addictions, but I imagine that it’s taken a lot of treatment and will power.

I think people also find it confusing how much KPs stories change.

Also Ive seen her posts attacking other people yet says be kind to her...

This sums it up imo

Yes, but they all bleed out about how they were abused as kids whilst simultaneously having inflicted abuse in their own kids. Whilst that may be fairly usual for kids that were abused, this lot have exposed their kids publicly, that bit is choice. They constantly get interviewed saying how much they love their kids, then drag in another loser man, blow yet another job chance, spend more on surgery, get interviewed saying how much they love their kids. And on, and on.

I read the KK article about her Only Fans gig. I read the article about KP and her latest dabble with weight loss and yet more surgery. Now we read about DW and her nose.

The only miracle in this shitshow is that somehow the kids seem to be pulling themselves out of the mire. KK’s daughter is at Uni, Princess is media tastic. Let’s hope they all get better advice than their mothers when it comes to looking to the future and proofing it.

Problem with katie price though is she blames everyone else which doesn't help. All I see with most that have surgery is they just keep going with it again and again.

I am interested to know what her nose will look like (Danielle westbrook) as there was alot of damage done.

Umm where did I say she was I was using a comparison on who I felt sorry for not those who choose to do that to themselves then have surgery.

Anyway merry Xmas 😂

Why can't they walk away from the fame. Top flight footballers back in the day went from 50,000 signing their name every other week to running a pub. Sian Gibson was a star in Phoenix Nights then working in a call centre. Gretta Garbo was probably the biggest star in the world and walked away.

Sadly these people get sucked into the idea of fame. I've heard that another enders actor who has hit hard times repeatedly says things like " because I'm famous I...". It is a ego thing. They need to realise that they had a little talent, a pretty face and both fade.

Nutter? Do you mean someone with a mental health problem? You can’t feel sympathy for someone with a mental health problem?

Yes, I feel sorry for some of them. I don’t think their completely responsible for their life experiences but neither do I think they’re blameless.

With KP and other parents who abuse their children I find it difficult to feel sorry for them. I know they may have had horrific lives themsleves but on a emtional level I struggle to have empathy as it’s so far removed from my experience of parenting.

I feel sorry for them both as they have royally fucked up, not just their faces, but their lives.

It’s also sad how many small companies she’s affected by not paying her debts to them yet when the media is running dry they often do interviews or have her on shows like Loose Women and I just don’t get why they think of her as an appropriate celeb to keep giving airtime to in light of all her offences!

Have any of them sat down and thought, I need to get out of this mess? None of them is stupid. They could easily have taken what they had left and lived quietly and well, with a normal job to augment their savings.

It’s what the rest of us have to do. We don’t jet off to Turkey for yet more surgery at ludicrous cost in an attempt to breath life into another failed career resurrection.

They’ve all got another 40 years on the planet if they’re lucky. They are all still relatively young. They absolutely could just be fucking normal.

I think they’re pretty different scenarios aren’t they? KP seemingly has surgeries in a bid to look thinner, younger etc whereas DW actually had quite a severe facial deformity.

Whether that deformity was self inflicted or not, I understand why DW might want to try & correct it.

I know who she is, this thread isn’t about her though. She’s nothing like Katie Price or Daniella Westbrook.

I don’t feel sorry for either of them. They chose to make money through vain, selfish, hedonistic means and paid the price. Literally zero sympathy. Sorry.

You can find her on Google and the info on what happened @CraftyPlayer

I don't pity Katie Price. Horrible, selfish woman. Her drink and drug driving offences could've killed people, she's shown absolute disrespect for British law (including tax payment), she abuses animals and uses/ neglects her children.

Nobody made her do any of the above.

Katie Piper?

I feel bad for them too. I don’t blame men though. These women made more than enough money to retire by age 30. The problem is they have blown the money in lavish lifestyles, drugs, men, plastic surgery and so on. It’s really sad how once their lost their youth and looks, only then do they seem to realise that the money wouldn’t keep gushing into their accounts.

Sports stars have similar issues. They get too much money too young, waste it all and then wonder why they are broke at 35.

No men are not to blame, they made their choices now have to live with them

It makes me sad thinking of the life’s they, and their families could have lived (and Katie Price did at one point). DW started taking cocaine at a very young age, by her own admission, so I don’t think she’ll ever be completely clean. Her brain has been too damaged.

Too much fame too young and exploited.. But they did actively seek it too. Especially in the case of Katie Price.

I blame in the case of bad cosmetic surgery the surgeons. Surely it goes against their training as a doctor, who train to help humans, to cause so much damage to someone? They must recognise mental illness? Money really is the only important thing to some.

Tbh I feel more sorry for katie piper as she's had to go through with surgeries because of a violent and abusive ex who took revenge, awful.

I'm not saying that drug taking or obsession with surgery isn't sad everyone has their own story but it was by choice so there has to be accountability too. Even kerry katona is open and honest and says the same about her own drug taking.

I'd say as a celebrity she is. By quite a long way. Especially compared to other women.

I have seen cases where the whole nose has totally collapsed through coke but not among women in the public eye.