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Fed up with passive aggression!

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Passaggressfedup · 22/12/2025 13:51

Username change due to professional confidentiality.

It's all there in the title! Today, after another round of dealing with passive aggressive behaviour, I want to shout that it really isn't ok!

We seem to have come to a point in society where physical aggression is more than ever shamed and punished. What progress we have made to get to this point, with yet more to be made.

This however seems to have been exchanged by a more than ever growing level of retaliation using passive agression. Worse is that many seem to think that it's an absolutely appropriate and even commended substitute.

MN is a minefield of it. Some posters seem to have become experts in the matter as have some people in the real world....and they seem to carry the glory with pride, seeing themselves as the beholder as of a life skill mastery.

Right now I want to shout that it really is not okay and the damage of such behaviour is polluting our society.

Today, start of week, only 13:30 and I've already had to deal with it three times with three different people. My OH, who always self congratulate himself for always keeping a very low level tone of voice and appearing calm and in full control, yet will use strident words, manipulating memories to make me doubt myself, and refusing to listen to me because my voice happens to be an octave higher than his, which is clear evidence in his view that I am rude and nasty!

Then the big boss, known to be a bully and hated by everyone, but people are choosing self preservation and therefore telling her what she wants to hear in her face. However hard I try to express my differences in a calm, professional and collaborative manner, she can't help herself by sending yet another array of rude emails, full of demands and sarcasm. I won't even describe the third instance today!

I pride myself in always trying to be kind, thoughtful and empathetic. I might not always succeed, but these are the values I hold closest to me heart.

I believe in honesty and openness when you disagree with someone and the whole let's agree to disagree with no hard feelings. If this means voices going up a bit, speech speeding up, it's ok, as long as you leave matters without resentment.

The way I feel now is emotionally shattered. Exhausted by people who value themselves so highly for dealing with things with such control when what it really is is subtle aggressive manners thrown to cause as much emotional harm as possible whilst coming out of it with flying starts.

These people have nothing to be proud of. They are more interested in controlling and winning the argument than in finding a reasonable compromise. They really are not nice people!

Rant of the day 😁

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Passaggressfedup · 23/12/2025 22:29

It's really puzzling that this thread would gave led to two posters writing such unpleasantness that it was deemed needed to be deleted. Why?

I didn't read the latest, but I really can't fathom it.

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Passaggressfedup · 23/12/2025 22:27

If everyone you're communicating with is behaving in a certain way, then it's unlikely to be the case that they're all arseholes and you're not contributing in any way to the dynamic of the conversation
Thank god its not everyone! I don't think I've implied that it was. It is still a minority but sadly something that seems to be becoming more common and normalised. Dealing with three such instances in a row yesterday got me to post. Thankfully, I've only communicated with pleasant people today !

I find it very strange how the thread evolved focusing on me shouting, especially when I really really really wasn't shouting! It's my OH who suddenly lowers his voice and slows his tone when he delivers his unpleasant words and I noticed other people do the same. Ultimately though, the tone of voice was nothing compared to the words chosen to strike where it hurts.

This thread is quite an interesting way to show how it takes one poster (or two) to make an assumption and totally derail the course of the matter.

You’re shouting at themThey aren’t shouting backYou are interpreting their self-control as “passive aggression
I didn't shout. I know what shouting is, I can very well tell when I am shouting. It wasn't the case then. It is so odd to find myself having to defend it when at no point I said that I did, but it was convenient for a PA poster to decide that it was obviously what I did.

Again though, it very much illustrate my point. If you have someone talking faster, stuttering, struggling to express themselves, they will quickly be labelled as lacking self control and the message she is trying to convey, which might be very valuable, will be dismissed.

Take a calm person, speaking eloquently and showing complete self control, even if inside they are enraged. They can strike where it hurts the most with well chosen words, but they will be considered reasonable, because of the manner in which its been delivered.

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Friendlylocal · 23/12/2025 17:56

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Thepeopleversuswork · 23/12/2025 15:56

Passive aggression can indeed be soul destroying: I have a highly passive aggressive boss who makes my life miserable.

But I think you are presenting a false duality here. Its not a choice between passive aggression and aggression, its a choice between passive aggression and calm, respectful and non-emotional pushback.

If your alternative to passive aggression is to raise your voice then I am not surprised people are getting exasperated with you. Raised voices are not automatically more direct and honest, a lot of people find them frightening and exhausting.

You must be able to find a way to counter someone being passive aggressive without having to raise your voice. It sounds like you are swinging between two unpleasant extremes when you could just learn to be politely assertive.

vanillalattes · 23/12/2025 15:37

If everyone you're communicating with is behaving in a certain way, then it's unlikely to be the case that they're all arseholes and you're not contributing in any way to the dynamic of the conversation.

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Needmorelegs · 23/12/2025 15:11

To be fair, I didn't say PA is about agreeing or disagreeing. I also didn't use PA (if you're implying I did?). I simply picked out the part of your post where you were trying to show that your OH is unreasonable because he believes you're shouting while you believe you aren't but your "voice is an octave higher than his" (your words). This is subjective. You're both seeing things differently.

However, my question was simply based on that specific part. If on mn a woman was saying her OH shouts during disagreement but her OH is disputing that with the same excuse, would you expect posters to agree with the woman's OH? Isn't it more likely that posters would believe the OH does shout even if he thinks he doesn't. Because at the end of the day, tone can land a certain way even if it's not intentional. That's all i was trying to get you to see there.

In fact, the reason I made my second post was to faily let you know that my first post doesn't ignore the fact that i think you're right in general.

On my second post, I agreed that some posters' sneery posts (like the one you strongly pointed out) were truly a case of PA and it's all over MN. Posters acting like they aren't PA or don't know what you're talking about is also part of the insidious nature of PA. People agreeing or disagreeing with you isn't the point I was making here.

I agree that it is a normal acceptable way of communicating though but by those who do so themselves.

Passaggressfedup · 23/12/2025 14:41

If it was your dp's voice that was "an octave higher" than yours, in other words, he seems to shout at you when you're disagreeing, would you want posters to agree with him?
I genuinely didn't post with the hope that people would agree with me in relation to the two examples I gave. I was hoping that it would open a discussion about PA as a whole. How people define it, see it, interpret it, how it affects them etc...which indeed some, include yourself have done.

I also agree with you about the passive aggression both on this thread and MN in general. Some of those posts (including those acting like they can’t see them) do confirm what you're saying
I definitely didn't see this coming, at least not to the extent it has. It does leave me wondering whether it has indeed, become such a normal and acceptable way to communicate, that people don't even see it when it's there, or are aware they are doing it themselves.

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Passaggressfedup · 23/12/2025 14:37

Thank you to the posters who have provided an opinion on this.

I think it highlight a few things:

  • people don't fully understand what is meant by PA. It's not about agreeing Vs disagreeing. It's the way some people express aggression in a non obvious, overt way, but still with intent, conscious or not, to hurt.
  • the way it is received is indeed open to interpretation and some will see PA when there was no ill-intended to upset.
  • PA often result from people making assumptions and using these to generate a reaction (as seen on this thread for example).
  • PA has become such a mean of expressing agression without having the finger pointed at them that I do believe it's become a casual skill for some and they are not even aware of it.
  • you can only speak calmly and softly. Any other tone of voice is shouting and therefore the only aggressive manner by default.

Personally, I much prefer to have an arguement or disagreement with someone who might express their feeling in a visual or auditory manner than having the same with someone who think they gave the upper end because they appear calm in the exterior but deep inside would be prepared to exterminate you if they could! I think culture plays a big role in it, as well as gender too, although not solely.

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Needmorelegs · 23/12/2025 11:13

@Passaggressfedup I also agree with you about the passive aggression both on this thread and MN in general. Some of those posts (including those acting like they can’t see them) do confirm what you're saying.

Needmorelegs · 23/12/2025 10:49

If it was your dp's voice that was "an octave higher" than yours, in other words, he seems to shout at you when you're disagreeing, would you want posters to agree with him? @Passaggressfedup

PollyBell · 23/12/2025 10:30

As said multiple times on mn over the years we only your version, if people have issues in their life this may make them see things differently, people, maybe they are what you say maybe they are not

What is one person's plain speaking is another person feeling they are being picked on, a person may be acting badly towards another or the person on the receiving end may not be able to handle being told a truth

So it would all depends, of a third, not related to the situation, person saw it all played back who knows what they would think?

Didimum · 23/12/2025 10:21

I love my DH 100% but he can get passive aggressive during disagreements. It drives me mad. His whole family are, especially his mother. I can see he’s been created with this style of communication since he was born, and he sees it as normal. He even struggles to identify passive aggression around him, even though he agrees it exists. It’s just so normalised for him.

Whereas actual aggression was (sadly) the language of my childhood, and consequently I struggle with emotional regulation and temper during disagreements, which also drives my DH mad.

We continue to learn to try harder and do better.

FairKoala · 23/12/2025 10:12

Being correct and putting in your own views on anything work related isn’t something you do in a job you want to keep.
From experience I have learned to keep my mouth shut and work doing exactly as I am told.
PA in an email is there to cover your behind if there are any consequences

Swiftie1878 · 23/12/2025 10:05

Passaggressfedup · 23/12/2025 07:50

oh dear…. Are you now stomping around shouting!!
I never said I shouted. An octave higher than calm is not shouting. Regardless, your words are unnecessary, unkind and can only have been written with the intention to upset. Why? You could write them as calmly as possible, add a smile to it, and yeah, this is what my original post was about. Nasty use of words intended to hurt the recipient for no good reason.

A perfect example of passive aggressiveness used by people who think they are doing nothing wrong because what? It's just words?

I don’t think the words are intended to hurt you. I think they’re intended to make you stop and think.

As PPs have said, coming up against such frequent (almost relentless) passive aggression is very unusual. The fact that it is happening to you calls into question your part in all of these scenarios.
Are you a bad listener? Do you take instruction badly? (from your boss)

In other words, are you adequately reflecting on these ‘episodes’ - why do people feel the need to be this way with you so frequently and persistently?

5128gap · 23/12/2025 09:56

Passaggressfedup · 23/12/2025 09:34

I'm sadden that this turned into a platform to criticise me rather than debate on the matter of PA for most posts.

@5128gap, thanks for doing just that.

Compromise and 'agree to disagree' is not always possible or desirable
I would strongly disagree about this, I do think that in almost all cases, these are a much more desirable outcomes.

However, the main reason for my OP is to try to understand why PA is deemed (at least it would seem) an acceptable type of aggression when all other types are not (and again, rightly so of course). PA is still aggression, just a much more subtle way to punch someone and leave them injured, albeit not physically.

A poster was asking for an example. One that comes to mind is something my big boss does. He will right emails stating 'we've agreed that you would do x,y and z' and will go on in a curt manner how all these will need to be completed by the end of the day. Anyone not closely involved would think it was a completely reasonable email. Except all the 'aggression' is there hidden. Firstly, nothing has ever been agreed. As a matter, it has never even but discussed! End of day is unrealistic. Also doesn't state anything about the fact it was agreed (yes, agreed, confirmed in an email) that I could leave early that day. Yet, my assertive response clarifying the above will be deemed to be the unreasonable one.

Thats an interesting example, as sometimes it HAS been agreed x,y and z needs to be done by the end of the day, just with the powers that be, not the person who will do them.
I wouldn't actually call that email PA. To me that's assertive (sticks to the facts, involves no emotional manipulation) but could read as bordering on aggressive dependent on tone, or if there was a threat attached "any failure to comply may result in..." etc.
A PA email would be "I'm sure you will agree that's its important that this is completed by the end of the day. Its disappointing to be having to remind you, when I understood it was agreed. If you aren't able to manage your work to complete this, please speak to me so we can consider your time management training needs"

Passaggressfedup · 23/12/2025 09:37

So shouting then?
Okay, I'll address this as it's come up a few times. There is quite some room between talking very calmly and slowly and shouting.

You can speak a bit louder and faster without shouting. At least I can as do most people I know.

So no, in the instances I shared I wasn't shouting but I wasn't speaking like I would speak to a young child either.

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Passaggressfedup · 23/12/2025 09:34

I'm sadden that this turned into a platform to criticise me rather than debate on the matter of PA for most posts.

@5128gap, thanks for doing just that.

Compromise and 'agree to disagree' is not always possible or desirable
I would strongly disagree about this, I do think that in almost all cases, these are a much more desirable outcomes.

However, the main reason for my OP is to try to understand why PA is deemed (at least it would seem) an acceptable type of aggression when all other types are not (and again, rightly so of course). PA is still aggression, just a much more subtle way to punch someone and leave them injured, albeit not physically.

A poster was asking for an example. One that comes to mind is something my big boss does. He will right emails stating 'we've agreed that you would do x,y and z' and will go on in a curt manner how all these will need to be completed by the end of the day. Anyone not closely involved would think it was a completely reasonable email. Except all the 'aggression' is there hidden. Firstly, nothing has ever been agreed. As a matter, it has never even but discussed! End of day is unrealistic. Also doesn't state anything about the fact it was agreed (yes, agreed, confirmed in an email) that I could leave early that day. Yet, my assertive response clarifying the above will be deemed to be the unreasonable one.

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HelpMeGetThrough · 23/12/2025 09:23

“If this means voices going up a bit, speech speeding up, it's ok, as long as you leave matters without resentment.”

So shouting then? Yeah, I wouldn’t be “passive” aggressive in that situation, I’d tell you to fuck off with your shouting.

Passaggressfedup · 23/12/2025 09:20

@SoulSearchBeHonest, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was responding to you personally. I was just responding to the fact that it's hard to like comments that imply that I wasn't an nice person.

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5128gap · 23/12/2025 09:16

Interesting. I'm not sure you always can be assertive without hurting the other person. Because sometimes it's the message that hurts, regardless of the delivery.
I also think that realistically in many cases of disagreement the aim is to get the person to 'withdraw' because then you have 'won'. Compromise and 'agree to disagree' is not always possible or desirable.
For example, a manager who needs a piece of work corrected does not want the engagement to end with an agreement to disagree. They want it to end with their staff withdrawing and doing as they're told.
Certainly PA is not ideal. However going around treating each other with (the more honest) overt aggression we may feel is even less so, and true assertiveness is a skill that many don't have. Particularly in the heat of the moment.
I think its also worth noting that PA is often sex based behaviour, with women more likely to display it than aggression. This is not only a socialised behaviour, but also a protective one. We know that if we speak our minds we can be especially vulnerable to consequences, so we may use other methods to indicate our displeasure.

ResusciAnnie · 23/12/2025 09:13

An octave higher than calm is not shouting

Eh?? Do you know what an octave is? Higher doesn’t mean less calm 😂 calm isn’t to do with how low someone speaks.

The thing is, the opposite/preferred alternative to passive aggression surely wouldn’t be overt aggression. It would be clear, direct, rational, fair, right? No aggression needed in any form? Why does every option have to include aggression? People seem totally unable to have a polite disagreement these days.

B1anche · 23/12/2025 09:12

OP, you sound like hard work. Based on what you've written, it's not surprising you experience so much aggression from people.