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To be annoyed about the guy who took his top off in a roomful of women?

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naturenaturenature · 21/12/2025 06:47

I belong to a community choir and we had our Christmas concert recently. There was a room set aside for us to put our bags and coats in. It was a small room and jam packed after the concert with people collecting their bags.

The make up of the choir is predominantly middle aged and older women with a small number of men.

After the concert finished, we all went to the room to retrieve our bags. When I walked in, one of the men was standing in the corner with his top off and he didn't seem to be in a rush to put one back on. No one else was getting changed.

AIIBU to think it was out of order for him to do that? I feel I want to report him as I'm just sick of men doing shit like this. I've had more than my fair share of poor treatment of every kind over the years and I'm absolutely sick of it. If he wanted to get changed he should have gone to the toilet. I felt very uncomfortable. I didn't feel he was any kind of threat but just WHY? No one was impressed.

AIBU to report him to the choir leader?

OP posts:
Moveoverdarlin · 21/12/2025 10:31

You see in this scenario I think I would think exactly as a man would if he saw a woman with his top off and I would have a good look. I would think ‘Blimey Pete’s taken his top off’. Then depending on the state of Pete’s physique I would think any one of the following….

*Oooh Pete’s in quite good shape!
*Pete should lay off the mince pies
*In his day I bet Pete did well for himself
*Errrgh I couldn’t shag Pete
*Bloody hell he could do with a bit of fake tan on that pasty Dad bod.

I don’t think I’d feel remotely uncomfortable, especially in a packed room. If he was in a uniform top and this happened in the last week, the chances are he went on to have Christmas drinks somewhere else and was um….changing his top?

Rosscameasdoody · 21/12/2025 10:30

AorticValve · 21/12/2025 09:39

You said he was in the corner. Now you say the middle. You have no credibility in asserting it was an act of male dominance when you have to change the story to create the fuss you want.

Whether you like it or not, there are different social norms for men and women. He did nothing wrong.

This. OP said upthread she didn’t want to report it for fear of being thought ridiculous, so she clearly realises it is ridiculous. It wasn’t a women only space and he didn’t indecently expose himself. He was in a corner, changing his top.

BarrysTeaForMe · 21/12/2025 10:23

I also understand what you're saying, op.
I've played in concerts with choirs for years and nobody has needed to strip off and stay half dressed in the rehearsal room/adjacent space. It's not like you get too hot from singing. It's bizarre, entitled and provocative behaviour.

Nanny0gg · 21/12/2025 10:22

naturenaturenature · 21/12/2025 06:58

@crowmate yes I agree. I would worry that he would think I was being ridiculous!

Um...

He wouldn't be wrong

RanchRat · 21/12/2025 10:20

I think he was being a bit of a showy off cunt.

Chocolatemasculinity · 21/12/2025 10:19

I’m a man. I understand that you were uncomfortable with that behaviour and you do not need to explain further. Men that feel the need to show off their body’s like this are generally plonkers at best.

BeKhakiReader · 21/12/2025 10:17

I was once in a classroom with a male colleague who wanted to quickly change his top, to go and play football after school. He asked if I minded if he quickly changed and I said no problem, and turned my back.

That’s respectful and I agree that this bloke in your choir should have at the absolute maximum turned into the corner and speedily swapped his top. Why do some men think women want to have sustained access to their dad bods?!

naturenaturenature · 21/12/2025 10:11

@jeaux90 thank you for understanding.

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naturenaturenature · 21/12/2025 10:09

@RedToothBrush believe me I have problems way worse than this! At no point have I made this into a drama. I don't understand what you're saying? I have merely asked a question which is what Mumsnet is here for. No one mentioned anything about a major drama! Also don't make assumptions that my life is all straightforward.

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NewGoldFox · 21/12/2025 10:08

I don’t think it would be unreasonable to complain. It’s not generally socially acceptable to be topless and it’s a small shared space.

EatYourDamnPie · 21/12/2025 10:06

GoodQueenWenceslaus · 21/12/2025 09:58

You think there aren't that many men who are topless in public? You really need to open your eyes, especially in the summer and round building sites.

There are. Too many in fact. People just don’t object to it as much , which is what I was saying. Defending Dave’s right to be topless in Tesco , doesn’t help breastfeeding women in any shape , way or form. Just increases Dave’s entitlement to whip his top of anywhere, anytime because it’s not the same and “perfectly socially acceptable behaviour “ I think you said. Is it fuck.

jeaux90 · 21/12/2025 10:03

OP I am with you, it was boundary breaking and entitled.

naturenaturenature · 21/12/2025 10:01

If he was just changing his top quickly then I wouldn't have thought anything of it. The room was small as I have said before. You couldn't miss him. It wasn't a changing area. No women were taking off clothing. No other men were in there. It seemed out of place.

OP posts:
Rosscameasdoody · 21/12/2025 10:00

If l had the Hubble telescope at my disposal I still couldn’t find my interest in this non issue.

GoodQueenWenceslaus · 21/12/2025 09:58

EatYourDamnPie · 21/12/2025 09:49

There’s still a lot more people objecting to women breastfeeding in public , than men being topless in public. You’re fighting the wrong battle mate.

You think there aren't that many men who are topless in public? You really need to open your eyes, especially in the summer and round building sites.

GoodQueenWenceslaus · 21/12/2025 09:56

researchers3 · 21/12/2025 09:40

Um, a choir isn't a beach. Everyone else managed to remain clothed.

A group of people in a cloakroom after a concert is not a choir. You don't know whether anyone else changed, do you, as you weren't there and OP was only there a few minutes and was busy during that period.

Alittlefrustrated · 21/12/2025 09:56

I need more info. Did he take a while because he was rummaging in his bag, applying deodorant, changing his shoes etc? Or was he striking a pose and waiting for admiration?
If he had his top off for a good length of time, he must of been doing something surely? Not just posing?
The frequent hugging of one particular, younger female, sounds a bit grim.
I'm willing to accept that he may be giving off vibes generally, that add to your discomfort OP.
A quick change of top, minding his own business in the corner, would not offend me.
If he was posing, I'd find it ridiculously funny and might say something like " Ah away man Jim, you'll put us off our lunch". I'm amazed no one took the mick - is it a very stuffy crowd?

ViciousCurrentBun · 21/12/2025 09:56

I think the poster feels uncomfortable because she has noticed him making a beeline for the younger members of the choir and hugging just them. He may just give a bad vibe. I noticed that as well @Jacopo. it’s patterns of behaviour that whilst as an individual act seem harmless all added up over time show a boundary pusher.

Muffinmam · 21/12/2025 09:55

naturenaturenature · 21/12/2025 06:54

i don't think it's treating me badly. What I don't like is why felt the need to take his top off. He's always hugging the women and I felt his intention was that he wanted us to look at him.

Then this was not isolated. He is a creep. Has he ever touched you without your permission?

GoodQueenWenceslaus · 21/12/2025 09:54

Friendlyfart · 21/12/2025 09:32

I’m a woman and I don’t feel anxious about topless men (bit grim if they’re wearing budgie smugglers), but I’m not concerned about a man seeing my middle aged body in a bikini. I might put in a cover-up to walk about in though round a pool.

I didn't suggest every women does feel anxious about this; clearly they don't . I was responding to a post about those women who do.

GoodQueenWenceslaus · 21/12/2025 09:53

EatYourDamnPie · 21/12/2025 09:32

Why is topless men perfectly acceptable behaviour? When did that happen?

Errm, since forever? Have you ever been to a seaside town on a hot day?

GoodQueenWenceslaus · 21/12/2025 09:52

5128gap · 21/12/2025 09:27

A man being bare chested is not the same as a person wearing a sleeveless top in our culture. Otherwise we'd see bare chested men in the board room, good restaurants and theatres during heatwaves. The closest comparator would be a woman standing around for a prolonged period wearing just her bra in a mixed sex space used by a choir.
Something doesn't need to cross into 'indecency' for it to be socially unacceptable in a particular context.

But why is this context so unacceptable? As has been pointed out, people undertaking this sort of activity where they have to wear uniform commonly change once the activity is over, and there may not be enough by way of toilet facilities available to enable them to do it there. All we know about this incident is that this man had a bare chest for a few minutes, not that he was parading it about for a long time.

Itsnotallaboutyoulikeyouthink · 21/12/2025 09:51

Good job you don’t do any sports men taking their kit off in public down to their pants to get changed was a regular. Not like he got his dinky out.

EatYourDamnPie · 21/12/2025 09:49

GoodQueenWenceslaus · 21/12/2025 09:37

Why not? It's not a part of the body normally considered indecent. Do you take the same attitude to women in backless dresses?

When we start policing inoffensive parts of the body, we get perilously close to demanding that everyone wear a niqab, or that women stop breastfeeding.

There’s still a lot more people objecting to women breastfeeding in public , than men being topless in public. You’re fighting the wrong battle mate.

IwishIcouldconfess · 21/12/2025 09:48

naturenaturenature · 21/12/2025 06:58

@crowmate yes I agree. I would worry that he would think I was being ridiculous!

You are being ridiculous.
Very ridiculous.