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to feel this bad in the run-up to Christmas?

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KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 21/12/2025 03:15

I just feel terrible, and I wonder if I'm being unreasonable because there are mitigating factors.

It's a bit of a tale of woe, unfortunately. My husband left me because he said I wasn't pretty enough, my mum died, my dad died, these bereavements caused two of my closest friends to stay away, and my brother wouldn't see my parents when they had dementia, one after the other. Second bereavement - Mum - was 18 months ago, but then we had hell sorting out the estate and the family home and dealing with her nasty partner. Now my brother doesn't want to really see me either. He's just disappeared into his world with his wife and kids. He didn't want me on my first Christmas with no parents either, so I spent it alone last year.

Usually I cope OK, but I have been really struggling in the run-up to Christmas, which I'm spending with a good friend. But it hurts so much that the one immediate family member I have left doesn't want me at Christmas. Which means I don't get to see my nieces and nephews either. (We live far apart.) I don't know why I'm surprised; he's never wanted to be around us much, ever since I can remember.

Mitigating factors are that I have some good friends, and am usually good company. I make people laugh. I'm usually able to shake things off, but I've been extremely upset and tearful the last few days. I just feel so, so alone and unwanted, with my dear parents gone, no partner, and a sibling who doesn't want me either. Nobody wants me. Usually I'm able to have a good attitude and laugh off my sibling and not take it personally, but I've been falling apart the last few days, which I really didn't expect. And it's so unfair, because I am a good person who looked after my parents with dedication, at a cost to my own life, and I see so many less-nice people around me with people who love them.

ETA: I'm grateful that my friend asked me, but angry that I'm with someone else's family instead of my own. I feel like I'm never going to forgive the man who left me or my horrible sibling.

I have a nice job, and a home, and friends. Please help me to stop drowning in misery and self-pity.

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KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 23/12/2025 16:33

Also, it's not just about seeing him, it's also about seeing my niblings.

ETA: I know you can't change people, and I thought I'd accepted that. The book Let Them is great for this. But it took me by surprise how bad I felt in this run-up to Christmas. I'm feeling better now though. My doc upped my anti-depressant dose a bit recently and it's kicked in now.

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KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 23/12/2025 12:55

Punkerplus · 23/12/2025 08:12

I understand your losses and the sadness of being on your own. My point is why you want to spend Christmas with someone you clearly (for good reasons it seems), don't think much of and don't really have much of a relationship beyond texting. Would you really be able to put aside all that resentment just for one day.

There's so much pressure on Christmas to spend it with family and the importance of this but surely this only works if you get on. I really don't understand wanting to spend one day with someone where there is clearly massive issues between you. The rest of the family would pick up on this and it isn't fair on them or you.

You sound like you have wonderful friends, something many people don't have it. Focus on spending Christmas on people who do love you and want to spend time with you.

We would all like people to behave the way we expect or want them too. I have a a brother as well who's behaviour leaves a lot to be desired. I'd be great if we got on and he was an involved member of our family but he's not and I've learnt you can't control people or change their behaviour or how they act.

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That’s the conclusion I came to as well - that I’d rather not. But I feel so bad bc I wonder why he can’t just be a decent human being and make me feel welcome at this awful time in my life. I could never do the same if things were reversed.

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KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 23/12/2025 12:53

MrsDoomesPattersen · 22/12/2025 20:39

I am on my own- with my sister blocking access to my dad - having lost my husband recently so be careful what you say

your brother is not as kind as you - and just because you would do it he wouldn't - we can’t control others..sad as the case may be

these are your words “i don't know why I'm surprised; he's never wanted to be around us much, ever since I can remember”

your post was about whether YABU to think he would want to be with you

I just don’t think he sees you as immediate family and you are clinging on to something that isn’t there and needs grieving. When you are young and in the family home - yes you are immediate family but he definitely doesn’t see you that way now he has his own wife and kids

you could always ask for an invite?

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I’m so sorry about your husband. 😢 💐

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Punkerplus · 23/12/2025 08:12

I understand your losses and the sadness of being on your own. My point is why you want to spend Christmas with someone you clearly (for good reasons it seems), don't think much of and don't really have much of a relationship beyond texting. Would you really be able to put aside all that resentment just for one day.

There's so much pressure on Christmas to spend it with family and the importance of this but surely this only works if you get on. I really don't understand wanting to spend one day with someone where there is clearly massive issues between you. The rest of the family would pick up on this and it isn't fair on them or you.

You sound like you have wonderful friends, something many people don't have it. Focus on spending Christmas on people who do love you and want to spend time with you.

We would all like people to behave the way we expect or want them too. I have a a brother as well who's behaviour leaves a lot to be desired. I'd be great if we got on and he was an involved member of our family but he's not and I've learnt you can't control people or change their behaviour or how they act.

MrsDoomesPattersen · 22/12/2025 20:39

KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 22/12/2025 20:31

@MrsDoomesPattersen And I disagree. Siblings are immediate family. Plus they're the only ones with you your whole life. I already said that he's my only immediate family, and you swoop in and say he's not. Could you be any more fucking hurtful?

It's all very well if you're smugly married with kids to shove your immediate family members of origin aside, even when their life has fallen apart, because you think you'll never need them again. But it might be you on your own one day, so think on.

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I am on my own- with my sister blocking access to my dad - having lost my husband recently so be careful what you say

your brother is not as kind as you - and just because you would do it he wouldn't - we can’t control others..sad as the case may be

these are your words “i don't know why I'm surprised; he's never wanted to be around us much, ever since I can remember”

your post was about whether YABU to think he would want to be with you

I just don’t think he sees you as immediate family and you are clinging on to something that isn’t there and needs grieving. When you are young and in the family home - yes you are immediate family but he definitely doesn’t see you that way now he has his own wife and kids

you could always ask for an invite?

KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 22/12/2025 20:31

@MrsDoomesPattersen And I disagree. Siblings are immediate family. Plus they're the only ones with you your whole life. I already said that he's my only immediate family, and you swoop in and say he's not. Could you be any more fucking hurtful?

It's all very well if you're smugly married with kids to shove your immediate family members of origin aside, even when their life has fallen apart, because you think you'll never need them again. But it might be you on your own one day, so think on.

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KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 22/12/2025 20:24

MrsDoomesPattersen · 22/12/2025 17:12

I’m with you OP - I too have complex hurtful family

BUT

your brother has his own immediate family - you are not his immediate family now - kids don’t owe parents - it was your choice to care for them - he can lead his life how he wants

and if things went on when you were younger and your family was troubled - siblings can often block you because you remind them of that past

I say this as someone in a family where my sister controls access to parents

there is grieving to be done in families like ours - it’s very painful and amplified by the “happy family season”

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I GET IT about people wanting to be a nuclear family. We always did that too. We always took turns hosting our parents and we always spent Xmas with our spouses and inlaws or parents. And him with his children after they came along, of course. In the last twenty years or so, we spent Xmas together in 2004 and 2017. So it wasn't normal.

My POINT is that if he had no children, his spouse had left him, and both our parents had died, there is NO UNIVERSE in which I would leave him alone in THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. These are not normal circumstances for me. It's not at all normal for me to have no spouse, no in-laws, and no parents to spend it with.

But that's the difference between him and me.

Our parents would kill him if they could know he wouldn't invite me when he knows full well I'm on my own. Even my STBX husband's mother is still alive, and even if she wasn't, his brother and nephew would never leave him on his own.

Well, one day he might be on his own, too, if anything happens to his spouse or marriage, and if his kids are all with their in-laws every other year so they can be together on the other.

I know he'd want to spend Christmas with me if the boot was on the other foot!

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MrsDoomesPattersen · 22/12/2025 17:12

KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 21/12/2025 06:50

My brother is not extended family, he's immediate family, and our parents weren't extended family either.

I’m with you OP - I too have complex hurtful family

BUT

your brother has his own immediate family - you are not his immediate family now - kids don’t owe parents - it was your choice to care for them - he can lead his life how he wants

and if things went on when you were younger and your family was troubled - siblings can often block you because you remind them of that past

I say this as someone in a family where my sister controls access to parents

there is grieving to be done in families like ours - it’s very painful and amplified by the “happy family season”

KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 22/12/2025 17:02

Thank you for everyone's input. It's very helpful.

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iamnotalemon · 21/12/2025 13:54

Just wanted to add, I’m single and no kids and live in a different country to my family but there are issues in my family dynamic that mean it wouldn’t be perfect if I lived near them, so I can understand where you are coming from but I’ve found that I just need to accept these things for what they are rather than the emotional turmoil in wishing things were different x

iamnotalemon · 21/12/2025 13:51

Sounds like you’ve been through an awful lot OP, so give yourself some grace. Unfortunately you probably just need to accept your brother for who he is and that he can’t be the brother you want him to be.
I hope you have a lovely Christmas with your friends and feel a bit better soon x

Pinkponyclub3 · 21/12/2025 12:16

You can't force a relationship that's isn't there ..
Family don't always do the right thing
You have had two loving parents your whole life ,to spend many many Christmases with .
I haven't seen my dad in 30 years and my mum wasn't interested..so no Christmas with either of my parents since I was 17
Not a gift or card ..not a phone call.
I have no happy memories to fall back on ...and none of it was my fault ,year after year I sent presents and cards and reached out and pleaded ,but nothing ever came back ..with them was a whole huge family who I lost as well ... through no fault of my own..
So as I said .. people don't always do the right thing ,you can't make someone love you ,you can't make someone want to .
I should know ,I spent a lifetime wondering what I did wrong..no idea ..
You have a friend who wants you ,and a life ahead of you to make new memories with new people you had yet to meet xxx

Punkerplus · 21/12/2025 10:42

I am sorry for your losses OP, you have been through so much.

I don't have a relationship with either of my siblings, they aren't nice people. The difference is, I wouldn't choose to spend my Christmas with them because they are "family". Being related doesn't excuse poor behaviour. I'm not sure why you would choose to spend Christmas with your brother given you don't get on, don't approve of his treatment towards your parents and you live far away. It doesn't sound like it would be a happy, pleasant experience and I don't think you would come away feeling wanted or loved like you would hope. Probably quite the opposite.

I can understand the feelings of not being wanted but the thing is you are. You are obviously wanted by your wonderful friend and I would choose to nurture and nourish these relationships instead. And create seperate relationships with your nieces and nephews too. I hope you manage to enjoy your Christmas regardless.

Catwalking · 21/12/2025 08:29

It’s a waste of you to allow so much of thoughts to be of this brother. Don’t give him any more of yourself.
Maybe try to find something that will totally absorb you? I decided to weed a badly overgrown garden path & whilst I was out there found some lovely pussy willows already beautifully silvery & ready for picking.

to feel this bad in the run-up to Christmas?
Zanatdy · 21/12/2025 07:00

KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 21/12/2025 06:50

My brother is not extended family, he's immediate family, and our parents weren't extended family either.

Sorry I meant to say normal in many families just to have immediate family as in wife, kids. Some people do like it be just them on the day itself.

KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 21/12/2025 06:50

Zanatdy · 21/12/2025 06:38

Even so I think it’s quite normal in many families to not have extended family. It is hurtful, but sounds like you have a lovely friend who will enjoy your company.

My brother is not extended family, he's immediate family, and our parents weren't extended family either.

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Zanatdy · 21/12/2025 06:38

KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 21/12/2025 05:40

I don't understand that when immediate family members are terminal or are divorced, single and bereaved. These are/were not normal times in our family. That's why I'm so hurt.

Even so I think it’s quite normal in many families to not have extended family. It is hurtful, but sounds like you have a lovely friend who will enjoy your company.

KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 21/12/2025 06:35

Blizzardofleaves · 21/12/2025 06:16

It is natural to feel this raw pain at times like Christmas, when people celebrate being together and you have lost so much.

I would stop expecting your brother to step up, he isn’t going to, and it’s only going to create more feelings of sadness and loss. He is there but selfish and absorbed with his own life. Continue to establish an independent relationship wih your nieces and nephews. Can you develop a stronger relationship with your sister in law and other relatives?

Your losses are very real, have you had Counselling op?

Are you interested in dating again?
Joining mixed hobbies?
Growing your community links?
A church?

You can root yourself more firmly in the area you are in, and then you have a second family of choice.

i would share your feelings with your close friends, so they can support and check in on you. Let yourself be sad and resentful for a while. It’s okay to grieve what you have lost, a family of your own. I don’t know your age, but msybe it isn’t too late. You could even consider adopting or fostering if you wanted to.

I'm 51 and have a demanding job. I don't see myself adopting or fostering, but it was a good suggestion.

I have stopped expecting anything of my brother, after I saw his shocking and disturbing behaviour towards our parents when they were ill. But this pain in the run-up to Christmas has surprised me.

I don't want to date. But I will do the other things you mention, like getting more involved with the community. I've been depressed after caring for my parents for so long. I am on antidepressants and usually they're very helpful, but the last few days and today are really rough.

Thank you so much for your kind, supportive message.

ETA: I think having a pet would really help me. Maybe a cat. There is no "side" to animals, they're just themselves. I don't have oodles of money to spend on their medical care though, and would hate to be in a position of having to have them put down if I couldn't afford 5k for an operation or something.

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Blizzardofleaves · 21/12/2025 06:16

It is natural to feel this raw pain at times like Christmas, when people celebrate being together and you have lost so much.

I would stop expecting your brother to step up, he isn’t going to, and it’s only going to create more feelings of sadness and loss. He is there but selfish and absorbed with his own life. Continue to establish an independent relationship wih your nieces and nephews. Can you develop a stronger relationship with your sister in law and other relatives?

Your losses are very real, have you had Counselling op?

Are you interested in dating again?
Joining mixed hobbies?
Growing your community links?
A church?

You can root yourself more firmly in the area you are in, and then you have a second family of choice.

i would share your feelings with your close friends, so they can support and check in on you. Let yourself be sad and resentful for a while. It’s okay to grieve what you have lost, a family of your own. I don’t know your age, but msybe it isn’t too late. You could even consider adopting or fostering if you wanted to.

AshesUnderUricon · 21/12/2025 06:05

Wishing hell fire on another person is not what a nice person does.

KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 21/12/2025 06:01

Meadowfinch · 21/12/2025 05:56

Maybe he hasn't invited you because you judge him, or because you remind him that he wasn't the best son.
Whatever the reason, he is entitled to live his own life and not invite you for Xmas if that is what he wants.
You need to let go of the resentment or it will make you bitter. Start to build a life for yourself instead. When was the last time you had a self indulgent holiday. I think I'd start planning one for the new year. Time to treat yourself.

I have been very careful not to let him see my judgement, because I don't want to be cut off from the children. We live far apart, and we have a good relationship via text.

He's certainly entitled, you got that right. And I will be entitled not to be there for him if he ends up on his own one day.

I've got no one to go on holiday with. All my friends are busy with their own families and I'm not going alone. I've been there and done that before.

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Meadowfinch · 21/12/2025 05:56

KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 21/12/2025 03:56

I know. Thank you xxx It's just really hard. Bro has this big house and lovely spouse and four kids, and somehow I've ended up with nothing. If the situation was reversed, nothing could make me fail to invite him for Christmas. I would never, ever leave him on his own knowing that he didn't have anyone. But then, I could never understand how he could leave our parents on their own either.

Maybe he hasn't invited you because you judge him, or because you remind him that he wasn't the best son.
Whatever the reason, he is entitled to live his own life and not invite you for Xmas if that is what he wants.
You need to let go of the resentment or it will make you bitter. Start to build a life for yourself instead. When was the last time you had a self indulgent holiday. I think I'd start planning one for the new year. Time to treat yourself.

KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 21/12/2025 05:40

EchoOfMeAtChristmas · 21/12/2025 05:31

That’s because you are a far nicer person than your brother OP. Take heart in the fact that you are a good person.

Im also feeling miserable this Christmas because of my brother - for different reasons (he’s been using coercive control to exclude me and my children from my parents lives so we won’t get to spend Christmas Day with them yet again).

Unfortunately we aren’t all blessed with lovely siblings.

I hope you find happiness again in the future.

Thank you. I'm sorry your sibling is such a shit, too.

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KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 21/12/2025 05:40

Zanatdy · 21/12/2025 05:22

It can be hurtful but some people do just want to spend the day with their immediate family rather than extended family and I think you have to accept that. I’d much rather be at a friends who wanted me there than a relative reluctantly agreeing to host me. Some of my oldest friends are like siblings to me, I am much closer to them than I am to my own sibling.

I don't understand that when immediate family members are terminal or are divorced, single and bereaved. These are/were not normal times in our family. That's why I'm so hurt.

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EchoOfMeAtChristmas · 21/12/2025 05:31

KeepingmyNameASecretforThis · 21/12/2025 03:56

I know. Thank you xxx It's just really hard. Bro has this big house and lovely spouse and four kids, and somehow I've ended up with nothing. If the situation was reversed, nothing could make me fail to invite him for Christmas. I would never, ever leave him on his own knowing that he didn't have anyone. But then, I could never understand how he could leave our parents on their own either.

That’s because you are a far nicer person than your brother OP. Take heart in the fact that you are a good person.

Im also feeling miserable this Christmas because of my brother - for different reasons (he’s been using coercive control to exclude me and my children from my parents lives so we won’t get to spend Christmas Day with them yet again).

Unfortunately we aren’t all blessed with lovely siblings.

I hope you find happiness again in the future.