Just got shouted at in a coffee shop for coughing in public 🥴

It's gross. Go out if you need to, but sitting in a coffee shop is hardly a need is it?

Stay away from other people where possible, go out if you have to, but avoid non-essential trips. It's not hard.

You can be sacked for having too much sickness absence.
And again, Hotel Services is the name of the NHS department that deals with porters, cleaners, drivers, catering and linen.

I knew a couple who would wear masks in the car when it was just them. Not at home though. My mind still boggles.

i don’t know how you cope with that. do you just stop catching them after being exposed to so many?

That was the recommendation to upgrade and/ or move from portering
Not specific to losing both legs just an alternative should portering no longer be an option
Assumed the list would be obvious as the varied choice available

Also assume anyone working for the nhs will know they can’t just be sacked ‘just like that’ because they’ve been off sick.

but perhaps the conversation should have been about hotels anyway. That’s popped up from nowhere 🤣

Mmm, it's almost like that poster hasn't got a fucking clue what she's talking about. Though I suppose the suggestion that a porter who'd lost the use of their legs could be a security guard instead should've been our first clue...

I think it comes from the incorrect assumption that reasonable adjustment has to be found in all cases. The key word is reasonable. Sometimes it just isn’t possible to accommodate someone in a different role, but that doesn’t absolve the employer of the responsibility to ensure there are no alternatives before moving to dismissal.

Life doesn’t work that way, unfortunately. You can’t coop yourself up in your house every time you get a cold. I would be going insane.

Mmm, it's almost like that poster hasn't got a fucking clue what she's talking about. Though I suppose the suggestion that a porter who'd lost the use of their legs could be a security guard instead should've been our first clue...

I can tell the difference from someone who has a nasty cough than someone with a bit of a lingering cough. Also people who are unwell know the difference. If you know you’re unwell try not to spread your germs out of sheer common courtesy.

Mmm, it's almost like that poster hasn't got a fucking clue what she's talking about. Though I suppose the suggestion that a porter who'd lost the use of their legs could be a security guard instead should've been our first clue...

Hotel services is the name of the department in the NHS that looks after the cleaners, porters and drivers. Cleaners were called Hotel Services Assistants.

Edited to add that Hotel Services also covers catering and linen too.

Hotel????

You said you worked for the nhs which was why we were discussing it in the first place and why it was given as an example because there are plenty of alternatives within the nhs

I’m afraid your manager not liking you is another issue though

Yes, that is true, but in the example of a porter losing their legs, there would not be any job they could be moved to within hotel services as they are all very physical. The only "desk job" role was that of the manager.

There was no reasonable adjustments that could have been made for me, despite Occy Health saying I was protected under EA2010, but my manager was an arsehole and wanted me gone anyway.

But if the illness qualifies as disability under the EA2010, they’re breaking the law. Disability is a protected characteristic and if the employee declares it, employers are required to seek reasonable adjustment for the fact that an employee needs support to do their job because of it. It’s against the law to sack a disabled employee out of hand without doing this. The key word is reasonable here, but the employer would still have to show that they’ve explored all options and say why there is no reasonable adjustment available.

Probably explains why the NHS is on its knees with people skiving off on full pay with zero consequences all the time

You can't just switch roles in the NHS. Working in the NHS does not mean you can just be moved about into different jobs with a bit of training. You have to apply for vacancies as they come up.
A porter who can no longer do the job due to a new disability would not be moved to another department and trained up. He would have to leave his job, and retrain and get a job elsewhere that would suit him better. I think you think the NHS is like one big family that looks after its own. It really isn't 😆

With training and support for someone who can no longer do their job due to illness

climb that ladder

The nhs do not sack you just because of illness.

If you’re sacked it’s because of something else eg not following procedure, not engaging in the process, something else like gross misconduct or just not bothering to do your job after warnings

With training and support for someone who can no longer do their job due to illness

climb that ladder

The nhs do not sack you just because of illness.

If you’re sacked it’s because of something else eg not following procedure, not engaging in the process, something else like gross misconduct or just not bothering to do your job after warnings

I am loving the idea that someone under formal end stage absence management procedures in the NHS is simply switched to a managerial role 🤣

I was a porter for years and knew how it worked. You can't just switch to other roles. That is not how it works. This AI slop you posted has no idea. Portering is a dead end job. You don't move up the ranks as there are no ranks to move up to. We had a supervisor who had to specifically apply for the job but he was also a porter. He didn't have a desk.
Our manager run all of hotel services (so was in charge of the cleaners, porters and drivers too). High band. He used to run a chain of restaurants. We were band 1.
You can't just move departments in the NHS. They all have their own managers, and budgets. You have to apply for jobs just like anyone else. One of my colleagues was off for months with a broken leg. He could not rock up to ward and ask to be put on reception. And most NHS trusts don't employ their own cleaners and porters anymore anyway.