Just got shouted at in a coffee shop for coughing in public 🥴

Firstly, yes, you did.
Secondly, if you are going to insist on people following medical guidelines then you could at least post them from a medical source and not dig up museum grade websites like MSN.
And the last question is totally irrelevant to this thread.

She was perfectly fine to do so. She felt well, coughed into an elbow and did not cough all over everyone else.

At what point would you allow her to go into a cafe?

I don’t assume all ND folk do, I just happen to be familiar with this particular poster.

Because she should not have been drinking coffee in the cafe in the first place. She should have got a take away coffee or skipped it after her essential food shop.

This isn’t a courtroom. Public health evidence doesn’t work on “prove Nurse A caused Baby B illness or death”. Policy exists because the risk is well established, even if individual causation isn’t publicly documented.

It's not hard to understand is it? Babies are significantly immuno deficient compared to much older children and adults, transmissable illnesses exist, nurses aren't magical unicorns that never get ill, babies can and do get ill from transmissable illness and yes some die. That's how the policy works, it understands the risk.

This is verging on science denying now.

You are still ill and went out not shocked you got the reception you did, you were selfish going out spreading your germs.

Firstly, I did not post any SM references.
Secondly, this is a forum thread. It’s not a peer review chat on research presented for publication.
Thirdly, did you ever finish Uni?

She coughed into her elbow. That was what was recommended during Covid.

Why is it not good enough for you now?

YANBU. He was being a complete and utter idiot. I bet he wouldn't have yelled at you if you were a man. Silly twit trying to exert his dominance over a woman in a cafe. I hope you stayed and enjoyed your coffee.

Please don’t assume all ND folk “know the basics”

You’re fine. OP knew she had a cold and she did nothing to minimise exposing others to her germs and is defending her behaviour as well as saying Covid was “hysteria” and she would have done nothing differently even if she knew her cold were actually Covid.

I went to uni to study healthcare (ODP). I would could not submit coursework that used MSN and social media as references.
Everything we did had to be based on evidence based health care. MSN and red tops don't count.

And your "sources" were MSN (who even uses that now?) and other social media.

I’m ND and if you were too, you’d have had a lifetime of studying humans so you’d know the basics.

No, burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

Go look for them yourself. I fell for your post sources thing before and you didn’t even read the links much less click on them to read the sources.

How about you post sources showing that newborns have never died from viral or bacterial infections in hospital?

I posted the UK Health Security Agency guidance of 2 December 2025 verbatim and you think it shows I’m paranoid ? 🤣

You wouldn’t happen to be one of those FBS who don’t believe in germ theory and would cut an umbilical cord with a rusty fork?

If it is well established then there will be sources. Post them.

Re neonates dieing

I have no idea re numbers catching it in hospitals but obviously if babies are in hospital they can be infected there just as anywhere else if ill and contagious people are nearby or infecting surfaces

neonates are very vulnerable
2.3% of world deaths of babies up to 27 days old die from RSV
caught from others having cold like symptoms.

Its mentioned on the nhs website with stats on the nih article below

Right, but what I am saying is neonatal infection risk from staff illness is well established; individual causation is rarely publishable. Demanding sources misunderstands how healthcare evidence works.

You would be unreasonable to dismiss what is being said as an "outrageous lie", which is what you did, because the evidence you're demanding isn't publicly available.

Why didn't you just tell him to fuck off? Thats what I'd have done.

RSV is a major killer of under 5s globally, with it being significantly higher risk for infants as their immune systems are still developing. It's one of the leading causes of pneumonia and bronchiolitis in infants.

RSV presents as a typical cold to older children and adults, often with milder symptoms.

While I doubt there's a source for the poster that you're quoting, as it would be extremely hard to trace back to patient zero, neonates and infants social pools are extremely small, and limited usually to hospital staff and immediate family members.

Not relevant to you going to a coffee shop really, but it's not an outrageous lie. Not being provable by virtue of a documented case doesn't mean that the associated risk and probability don't exist.

Infants do catch infections, even in hospitals, and those infections may be transmittable infections that have come from others, and it can kill them.

No it covers all levels of masking from simple cotton to FFP2
”Masks, including cloth face coverings and disposable medical masks, help reduce the spread of respiratory droplets and aerosols. Respirators, such as N95 and FFP2 devices, are designed to filter out smaller airborne particles and fit more tightly to the face, providing a higher level of protection.”

Oh OP you did nothing wrong.

I am shocked so many people think you did.

Woman with slight cough goes to coffee shop. It’s hardly headline news. And it doesn’t make you a threat to society either. The man who shouted at you sounds deranged. Loads of people have coughs and colds at the moment it cannot be avoided it is called being human. Only by living as a hermit could it be avoided.

People seem to love having something to moan about. I hope you enjoyed your hot chocolate and feel better soon.