Why do men hate women so much?

@TheaBrandt1 Thanks and yes, I was honestly so bloomin' scared! I often think back to that incident, and I wonder, if I had been a man with a baby in the trolley, would he have threatened me like that? No, of course he wouldn't!

It may not be literally every man, but it's far too many men. And of the ones who wouldn't initiate horrible abusive behaviour like this, far too few are willing or confident enough to tell those who do it to stop being arseholes.

I suppose it's somewhat to be expected that the confident, loud, rude men who set out to control women (as a sex and as individuals) through abuse also tend to control and dominate other men disproportionately.

If only society could find better ways to recognise and promote positive, thoughtful masculinity instead of constantly promoting toxic male aggression as something admirable, and those who exhibit it as leaders.

Oh and now, my sons are both older. They would never, ever treat a woman like that, or like the men who hassled OP. They are considerate, kind young men who understand their moral responsibilities.

Tiny that’s awful so sorry. Had a funny one tiny car park could not fit in the space. Twat in car shouting and yelling at me. I capitulated and let him have the space. He then couldn’t park in it either. Oh how I laughed as he sped off in a fury of testirical anger!

Exactly. Sorry but the “not all men” posters
come across as quite thick.

One notable incident sticks in my mind. It was when my son was a baby. I had popped to Tescos and he was strapped in his car seat in the back. I made a mistake, and went up one of the parking lanes the wrong way; I didn't realise.

Parked my car, lifted him out and put him in the trolley. All good. Turned round, to see a really angry man leaning out of his van window, I mean, really incandescent with rage. Called me a fucking stupid bitch, told me I knew exactly what I was doing, said he'd fucking knock me the fuck out. I literally ran with baby into the store, him following me all the way up the lane swearing his head off. I was shaking. To say I was frightened would be the understatement of the year. I asked staff security to walk back with me on the way out, which they gladly did.

I was so so scared - I've not felt fear like it, scared because he was clearly insane and violent and because I had a baby to protect. I was easy pickings - a young mum with a baby, I'm not going to fight back, I can't do anything, I was clearly just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I wish the concept of class analysis was more widely understood. It would make threads like this so much easier and shorter.

It never ceases to amaze me that so many men call larger women names and think that it is not only funny,but original too. Fucking morons,the lot of them.

80% of violent crime committed by men that should say, obviously!

80% of violent crime committed by men that should say, obviously!

“Can be just as bad.” Individually maybe. But they aren’t, as a sex class. Are they? Look at the stats. This is reality.

98% of sex crimes are committed by men.

At least 80% of violent crime is committed by men.

Yes an individual woman could be just as nasty as an individual man but as a sex class there is no denying that men are doing more ‘bad’ things than women by a huge, huge margin.

This is their mentality.

You say this but please look at statistics.

98% of sex crimes are committed by men.

At least 80% of violent crime is committed by women.

Yes an individual woman could be just as nasty as an individual man but as a sex class there is no denying that men are doing ‘nastier’ things than women by a huge, huge margin.

@Kimura

You said upthread that the Gisele Pelicot attackers were from a dark corner of the internet.

You’ve not read the coverage and / or you’ve misunderstood the point of the post you replied to.

After the trial, it was confirmed that of the men convicted, “Most lived within a 50-km (31-mile) radius of the Pelicots’ picturesque village of Mazan’. And that “Many of these men … lived within 20 kilometres from Pelicot’s village, Mazan.”

The poster’s reason for raising that specific case was that it shows how many men in a random area would be willing to sexually assault / rape if given the opportunity, unless you believe that specific area of France just happens to have a staggeringly greater than average amount of those men.

It was a terrifying case for so many reasons but one of the most unsettling elements for me was that it showed what a high number of men would do that if presented with the opportunity.

Why? because we are driven by different biological hormones and men and women will always be "Mars v Venus". Humans are a mammal species in the animal kingdom with a higher brain development but still biologically linked to our species.

Men's testosterone made them fighters and abusers, while women's estrogen made us kinder and focussed on our children. It's how society developed from nearthentals, thru ages, countries and cultures. Men dominated, made laws and subjugated women because of their biological aggression.

The problem is today. Women work, have their own finances and are postponing having children or having none. Men can hate us and kills us, but our societies have a huge issue with women waking up to men's abusive nature.

Yes, my DH and bills and a couple of close male friends would respond like that, too. Quite clearly there are decent nen like your DS.

But decent men don't need women to defend them on a thread like this where women are sharing the traumatic experiences they have been through at the hands of men.

And there’s no doubting that it really isn't a small minority of men who treat women like that.

I find decent men generally are extremely suspicious and cynical about other men’s motives. Know DH is anyway. Because they know what actually goes on when women aren’t there. Often women are hopelessly naive about men. As evidenced by posters on this thread.

But decent men don't need defending. They know who they are.

They don't need us to confirm their existence in every conversation where another man is awful.

Sorry OP, what a horrid experience

@Sexentric

Government stats record that on average 79800 women across England and Wales are raped or sexually assaulted every year.

It also estimates 5 in 6 women don’t report for obvious reasons.

So if we times the 79800 by 6 we can deduce that 478800 women are sexually assaulted or raped each year in England and Wales.

478800 women in 1 year!

478800 is only rapes and sexual assault vistims.
It doesn’t include the men verbally abusing out of a car window or any other intimidating behaviour towards women.
It doesn’t include murders or any other kind of non sexually assault.
It doesn’t include upskirting or online abuse.

Please share your stats that show it’s only ‘a minority of men’ that are a problem for women.

It’s systemic. Obviously many individual men are lovely but too many are clearly emboldened by our culture to behave hideously to strange women in public. It’s undeniable. You men defenders don’t have a leg to stand on. Wish you were right. Sadly you’re not.

These twats have little power though because the women they think they deserve wouldn't go near them.

Ah - all women like to believe this, that the men in their life are an exception. Occasionally it’s true; frequently, it’s not.

The men in my life are good people too as far as I'm aware.
I talked about the thread last night to one of them (my adult son) I read him the OP and asked him what he thought. His immediate response was to say it was awful and tell me about some of the things he had seen men do and that had happened to my DDil. He expressed concern for the world his own DD was growing up in.
What he didn't do, despite me reading the OP out, was inform me HE wasn't like that and it's really unfair that the OP didn't say SOME men. Because, being a decent man, his takeaway was not to centre himself and other good men in a conversation about bad ones.
If my 20 something son can see this and not feel the need to be defensive, I genuinely can't understand why women reading this post from a woman feel compelled to defend men. If they are decent I'm sure they'd prefer you to empathise with the OP.

I think most men are misogynists to some degree. Whether it’s your catcalling arse slapping ‘women belong in the kitchen’ sexist, or your left wing man who is ‘down with feminism 100%’ but ‘doesn’t understand why women are so mean to trans people, be kind’.

I have never said it’s all men.

I have repeatedly said men as a sex class……..

Maybe you can back up your suggestion that it’s a minority. I don’t believe its a minority due to the stats and sheer volume of numbers of murders and assaults on women.