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Why do men hate women so much?

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growingsideway · 18/12/2025 17:18

I’m on the larger side, a size 18. Walking back from work with my headphones in and on my phone and a guy leans out of his car window (passenger side) in slow moving traffic, barks at me like a dog and calls me a fat bitch. Him and his mates in the car then crack up at it and find themselves absolutely hilarious as they’re crawling along next to me.

I know it’s silly to be so upset by it because it’s such a silly thing for them to do, but they took me by surprise and gave me a fright and I just don’t get it. Why are men like this?

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penguinpalace · 18/12/2025 20:50

itsnotfairisit · 18/12/2025 20:39

What I’d really like is for all these good guys to call out the bad guys.

But they are outnumbered. Also they’d be ridiculed and other men might call them a simp.
Best to say nothing and go along with woman when they are with women and men when are with men.
That way the women will think ‘not all men’ and men will think they know what he really thinks and that he’s really one of them.

charcoalandsugar · 18/12/2025 20:49

Sexentric · 18/12/2025 20:47

Why do I need to start my own thread? Because im not agreeing with you thay all men are terrible woman haters and all women are innocent? You're wrong. Fact.

1 in 4 women will be raped or sexually abused y a man in her lifetime
every 10 mins a woman is murdered by her male intimate partner globally.

There’s literally nothing to argue against. Men as a sex class pose a very real danger towards women as a sex class

Sexentric · 18/12/2025 20:47

echt · 18/12/2025 20:44

Cool. Start your own thread on the topic.

This thread is not about that.

Why do I need to start my own thread? Because im not agreeing with you thay all men are terrible woman haters and all women are innocent? You're wrong. Fact.

Unicornsatonalilo · 18/12/2025 20:45

Sexentric · 18/12/2025 20:42

I was out with a group of girls mostnof whom I didn't know to well a LONG time ago. 25 years maybe? And a few of the girls admitted to having played 'pull a pig" themselves.
Honestly I admit lots of men are absolute arseholes but can we stop pretending that women aren't?

I heard that was called 'pull a boar'

Still fucking disgusting-how they sleep at night is beyond me

I dont care what sex you are,you don't treat anyone like that for a 'laugh'

It destroyed me at the time and anyone who can do that to anyone else is a disgusting person

echt · 18/12/2025 20:44

Sexentric · 18/12/2025 20:42

I was out with a group of girls mostnof whom I didn't know to well a LONG time ago. 25 years maybe? And a few of the girls admitted to having played 'pull a pig" themselves.
Honestly I admit lots of men are absolute arseholes but can we stop pretending that women aren't?

Cool. Start your own thread on the topic.

This thread is not about that.

EnjoythemoneyJane · 18/12/2025 20:43

ColinOfficeTrolley · 18/12/2025 20:05

Men hate women because we can have babies and they can't. That's why they based a whole religion around a woman being made out of a man's rib.

They DESPISE that women can give birth and they are unable to do it.

That's how the patriarchy was born.

We are derided, laughed at, treated worse, treated as weaker etc.

Why that have had to build up this world where they are superior.

I actually have been married to a wonderful man for decades so I don't hate men.

I am a feminist. My feminism is borne out of women being liberated in spite of her biology. That's it.

Not sure it’s even as deep as that. They hate us solely because we are the gatekeepers of the vagina, the thing they want and need the most, with little regard for the rest of the woman attached to it.

When they could take what they pleased with no consequences, enslave women through marriage/ownership/religious sanction, and do what they wanted (which still applies in many countries); when it was impossible for rape to legally occur within a marriage (almost worldwide until as late as the 1990s), there was less need for them to exorcise their rage through public insult and humiliation.

This behaviour has steadily gained traction over the decades during which women have gained agency and become more able to assert boundaries.

In the western world hurling abuse is the last refuge of the man who feels a submissive woman and sex on tap is nothing less than his birthright and entitlement. And most of them are too fucking stupid to even understand that that’s where all their bile comes from.

Sexentric · 18/12/2025 20:42

Unicornsatonalilo · 18/12/2025 20:31

I went out one night after having a nervous breakdown (my mates dragged me to the pub as if not left the house got months)

I got talking to a bloke and at the end of the night,he leaned in for a snog

He immediately cheered 'I win lads!' And then walked off

Turns out they'd been playing a game called 'pull a pig'

The idea being that you chat up and snog the ugliest female in a pub and then your mates have to buy you a pint or food

My mates ripped him apart but the damage was done-i didnt go back out for months afterwards

Looking back,I was so far out of his league and he wanted to shove me back in the box

I met someone who had slept with him at some point and said he had a tiny willy and was a nasty sod with a huge chip on his shoulder that women didn't fancy him

I think the word is 'incel'

Pathetic little man-I did nothing wrong and the jokes on him as I met dp a year later and he,being a true man,thinks I'm gorgeous

I was out with a group of girls mostnof whom I didn't know to well a LONG time ago. 25 years maybe? And a few of the girls admitted to having played 'pull a pig" themselves.
Honestly I admit lots of men are absolute arseholes but can we stop pretending that women aren't?

itsnotfairisit · 18/12/2025 20:39

What I’d really like is for all these good guys to call out the bad guys.

PinkyFlamingo · 18/12/2025 20:39

rwalker · 18/12/2025 17:25

I don’t think it’s gender specific there’s vile women as well as men

Of course both men and women can be vile, but women don't tend to shout out horrible things to men in the street do they!

Puffalicious · 18/12/2025 20:38

growingsideway · 18/12/2025 17:29

Maybe not around you but stick them in a car of other men, make them relatively anonymous and I bet they would.

I'm so sorry for what you endured OP, it's fucking horrendous.

However, I'll need to disagree with you here: I know my DP, brother and 2 sons would never be like this. My sons are 21 & 19 & I've made sure they have respect for women & speak up again misogyny. #educateyoursons

Youdontseehow · 18/12/2025 20:34

rwalker · 18/12/2025 17:25

I don’t think it’s gender specific there’s vile women as well as men

FFS. There’s no way a bunch of women drive along and shout abuse at men walking along minding their own business.

And there’s no such thing as gender. HTH.

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 20:34

penguinpalace · 18/12/2025 20:30

None of it makes sense really, men apparently hate woman because they want to provide for them but if women let men provide then they call woman them gold diggers.
Do they want to provide or do they want woman to pay for themselves?
They hate women because we don’t give up sex and they see themselves as entitled to have sex with any woman who should just let them and are angry we say no but then they want all women to be virgins who don’t have sex with anyone.
I don’t think even men know what they want.

They want both.

They want to work, and for her to work so she doesn’t ‘take his money’, but for her also the play the dutiful housewife at home and treat him like the sole breadwinner. They may do the occasional grand gesture for which they expect high praise and gushing thanks (the odd ‘treat’), but they don’t want to do the day to day grind of housework, childcare etc

Best of both worlds basically

charcoalandsugar · 18/12/2025 20:34

Kimura · 18/12/2025 20:10

I wonder what value you're getting from such a sweeping generalisation?

What is it that you find despicable about people who - in good faith - are uncomfortable with the notion that all/most men are bad/hate women?

I don’t get value from my opinion.

It just is what it is.

The stats speak for themselves. Men as a sex class pose a real danger for women as a sex class.

growingsideway · 18/12/2025 20:33

Unicornsatonalilo · 18/12/2025 20:31

I went out one night after having a nervous breakdown (my mates dragged me to the pub as if not left the house got months)

I got talking to a bloke and at the end of the night,he leaned in for a snog

He immediately cheered 'I win lads!' And then walked off

Turns out they'd been playing a game called 'pull a pig'

The idea being that you chat up and snog the ugliest female in a pub and then your mates have to buy you a pint or food

My mates ripped him apart but the damage was done-i didnt go back out for months afterwards

Looking back,I was so far out of his league and he wanted to shove me back in the box

I met someone who had slept with him at some point and said he had a tiny willy and was a nasty sod with a huge chip on his shoulder that women didn't fancy him

I think the word is 'incel'

Pathetic little man-I did nothing wrong and the jokes on him as I met dp a year later and he,being a true man,thinks I'm gorgeous

Oh my god that’s awful. I’m so sorry

OP posts:
growingsideway · 18/12/2025 20:33

Unicornsatonalilo · 18/12/2025 20:31

I went out one night after having a nervous breakdown (my mates dragged me to the pub as if not left the house got months)

I got talking to a bloke and at the end of the night,he leaned in for a snog

He immediately cheered 'I win lads!' And then walked off

Turns out they'd been playing a game called 'pull a pig'

The idea being that you chat up and snog the ugliest female in a pub and then your mates have to buy you a pint or food

My mates ripped him apart but the damage was done-i didnt go back out for months afterwards

Looking back,I was so far out of his league and he wanted to shove me back in the box

I met someone who had slept with him at some point and said he had a tiny willy and was a nasty sod with a huge chip on his shoulder that women didn't fancy him

I think the word is 'incel'

Pathetic little man-I did nothing wrong and the jokes on him as I met dp a year later and he,being a true man,thinks I'm gorgeous

Oh my god that’s awful. I’m so sorry

OP posts:
Unicornsatonalilo · 18/12/2025 20:31

I went out one night after having a nervous breakdown (my mates dragged me to the pub as if not left the house got months)

I got talking to a bloke and at the end of the night,he leaned in for a snog

He immediately cheered 'I win lads!' And then walked off

Turns out they'd been playing a game called 'pull a pig'

The idea being that you chat up and snog the ugliest female in a pub and then your mates have to buy you a pint or food

My mates ripped him apart but the damage was done-i didnt go back out for months afterwards

Looking back,I was so far out of his league and he wanted to shove me back in the box

I met someone who had slept with him at some point and said he had a tiny willy and was a nasty sod with a huge chip on his shoulder that women didn't fancy him

I think the word is 'incel'

Pathetic little man-I did nothing wrong and the jokes on him as I met dp a year later and he,being a true man,thinks I'm gorgeous

Luckyingame · 18/12/2025 20:30

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 20:10

We need to be honest about our husbands though.

DH would never shout abuse from a car etc but I can see ‘something’ which he wrestles with on a daily basis, because logically he knows that ‘something’ is sexist and unjustifiable but regardless it’s there.

For example it really irks him when I can do something he can’t, particularly if practical (fixing the washing machine, assembling something etc). He doesn’t really like it when I have a better idea than him, or if we get lost and I’m the one to find the way to our destination. He would NEVER admit this, and he doesn’t say anything either, but it’s a certain ‘energy’ he gives off which I know he wouldn’t if I was a male friend doing the same things. I think he has self awareness in that he knows he’s doing it, and has on one or two occasions admitted he doesn’t understand why his reactions are subtly different to if I were a male friend.

I think out of the ‘good men’ the vast majority are like DH - their conscious thought manages to wrestle down the sexism and put a lid on it, but it’s still there to a degree.

Yes, we have.
My husband is 75 (big age difference) and definitely uttered sexis and some misogynist remarks over these years.
When I became middle aged, I started calling him out on this.
He doesn't have an idea and says sorry - really.
Behaviour as the OP describes is on another level, though, largely unknown to me, so far.

penguinpalace · 18/12/2025 20:30

None of it makes sense really, men apparently hate woman because they want to provide for them but if women let men provide then they call woman them gold diggers.
Do they want to provide or do they want woman to pay for themselves?
They hate women because we don’t give up sex and they see themselves as entitled to have sex with any woman who should just let them and are angry we say no but then they want all women to be virgins who don’t have sex with anyone.
I don’t think even men know what they want.

PithyTaupeWriter · 18/12/2025 20:27

landlordhell · 18/12/2025 19:57

Some were female officers.

And these female officers were equally capable of rape and murder like Wayne Couzens?

PithyTaupeWriter · 18/12/2025 20:26

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 20:10

We need to be honest about our husbands though.

DH would never shout abuse from a car etc but I can see ‘something’ which he wrestles with on a daily basis, because logically he knows that ‘something’ is sexist and unjustifiable but regardless it’s there.

For example it really irks him when I can do something he can’t, particularly if practical (fixing the washing machine, assembling something etc). He doesn’t really like it when I have a better idea than him, or if we get lost and I’m the one to find the way to our destination. He would NEVER admit this, and he doesn’t say anything either, but it’s a certain ‘energy’ he gives off which I know he wouldn’t if I was a male friend doing the same things. I think he has self awareness in that he knows he’s doing it, and has on one or two occasions admitted he doesn’t understand why his reactions are subtly different to if I were a male friend.

I think out of the ‘good men’ the vast majority are like DH - their conscious thought manages to wrestle down the sexism and put a lid on it, but it’s still there to a degree.

100% this. My DH is one of the 'good ones', but he has had to very grudgingly accept that I am better at so many things than he is, and I have trained myself over the years to not shrink myself to preserve his ego. How sad that they see it as an insult to be inferior to women.

Wheech · 18/12/2025 20:25

Bringemout · 18/12/2025 17:52

It makes them feel big is all, it’s a way to hype themselves up. I tend to think it’s men who feel more powerless in real life who tend to do it (I may be wrong). There was a study on aggression towards women on the internet/social media and it was basically generally men who perceived themselves to have lower status or value who committed the majority of abuse.

They did it because even they think they are losers.

This, this, this! Of course it's not all men but it's FAR too many men and the ones that do it are the ones who need to pick on someone they perceive as weaker than themselves in the social pecking order.

To answer the OP, I don't think they hate us, I think hold us in contempt is more accurate a lot of the time. I just had an interesting conversation with Chat GPT (I know, I know) where I wondered if the way men treat women is the same way the "guards" treated the "prisoners" in the Stanford Prison Experiment, and found the response really interesting (pasted below but in a nutshell it's because of social norms that men treat women so badly and that women just have to take it - now I'm off to chat further about how I can challenge these norms and teach my son to do the same):

The Stanford Prison Experiment (SPE) is often brought up precisely because it seems to show how social roles, power, and norms can unlock behaviour that many people would otherwise find shocking. Your instinct to connect it to gendered behaviour is a thoughtful one—and many sociologists and psychologists have made similar links (with important caveats).
The Stanford Prison Experiment (1971): what actually happened
Philip Zimbardo recruited psychologically healthy male students and randomly assigned them to be “guards” or “prisoners” in a mock prison in a university basement.
What unfolded was not just rule-enforcement, but rapid escalation:

  • Guards began humiliating prisoners: verbal abuse, sleep deprivation, forced nudity, arbitrary punishments.
  • Prisoners became anxious, passive, depressed; some had emotional breakdowns.
  • No one explicitly told the guards to be cruel. They were given authority, uniforms, and permission.
The experiment was stopped after 6 days. Zimbardo’s conclusion People don’t need to be inherently cruel. Situations + power + role expectations can be enough. Important modern criticisms (these matter) Today, SPE is heavily criticised:
  1. Demand characteristics
  2. Guards were subtly encouraged to be “tough”. Some later said they were acting how they thought guards were meant to act.
  3. Lack of scientific rigour
  4. No control group, poor documentation, researcher interference.
  5. Not everyone behaved badly
  6. Some guards resisted cruelty, which weakens “inevitability” claims.
So: 👉 SPE doesn’t prove people inevitably become abusive. 👉 It does illustrate how social permission and power can normalise harm. Connecting this to men’s behaviour toward women Your example—street harassment, groping, shouting abuse—is sadly common and highly asymmetric. That asymmetry is crucial. This isn’t about men being “naturally” cruel. It’s about power, norms, and consequences.
  1. Social permission and role expectations
Many men grow up absorbing messages like:
  • Male assertiveness = confidence
  • Female discomfort = trivial
  • Sexualised attention = compliment
  • Male dominance = normal
This is a role, not an instruction—much like the guards weren’t told to abuse prisoners, but understood what the role allowed. When behaviour is:
  • rarely challenged,
  • laughed off,
  • minimised (“boys will be boys”),
it becomes normative, not deviant.
  1. Power imbalance matters
In SPE:
  • Guards knew prisoners couldn’t fight back.
In street harassment:
  • Men usually know women are physically smaller, socially conditioned to avoid confrontation, and unlikely to retaliate violently.
Power doesn’t require intent to harm—it only requires confidence there will be no serious consequence. That confidence is unevenly distributed by gender.
  1. Deindividuation and entitlement
Uniforms in SPE reduced individuality. In public harassment, something similar happens:
  • Women are reduced to bodies, categories, or symbols.
  • The harasser doesn’t see a person, but a role: “woman in public space”.
This makes contempt easier. You don’t feel empathy for a role.
  1. Why women rarely do this in reverse
Not because women are morally superior—but because:
  • Women are socialised to avoid imposing, not dominate.
  • Women face real risks if they act aggressively.
  • Women receive stronger social sanctions for sexual assertiveness or public aggression.
So the same behaviour is not equally permitted. A key insight from modern psychology Cruelty often doesn’t arise from hatred. It arises from normalisation. When a group is treated as less powerful, less credible, or less deserving of respect, mistreatment can feel ordinary—even justified. That’s the uncomfortable overlap between SPE and gendered harassment. One important difference There’s also resistance. Just as some guards refused to be cruel:
  • Many men actively reject these norms.
  • Norms can change—but only when behaviour is clearly named as unacceptable.
MinnieCauldwell · 18/12/2025 20:22

When those Trump recordings came out about grabbing pussy I was ecstatic because I honestly believed no one would vote for him.
Sadly, a male friend said its just banter....

JimnJoyce · 18/12/2025 20:19

growingsideway · 18/12/2025 17:29

Maybe not around you but stick them in a car of other men, make them relatively anonymous and I bet they would.

I absolutely 100% believe this

EnjoythemoneyJane · 18/12/2025 20:17

rwalker · 18/12/2025 17:25

I don’t think it’s gender specific there’s vile women as well as men

Yeah, all those women you see hanging out of cars and off scaffolding, catcalling and shouting abuse at complete strangers in the street who are just minding their own fucking business 🤔

HeadyLamarr · 18/12/2025 20:14

Kigalicaif · 18/12/2025 19:57

This thread makes me very sad. Something I wonder however. How have you all raised your son's to treat girls. Be it friends, partners, and/or strangers?

Have you ever had to call out your DS for their behaviour and tell them "don't you dare speak to her like that".

Yes I have. And yes, they do. Every time. One of them got thumped for it.

My son's thought I exaggerated how badly men think of women until they went to uni. In halls of residence they saw and heard the way lads talked about women and were absolutely shocked at how dismissive and demeaning the language was.

DS said "I always thought you overstated how much men hate women but now I know it's worse than you you can imagine. University lads talk like women only exist for them to fuck."