Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

I never noticed this with teams? Is it something you've gone out of your way to do and isnt an automatic thing that you have to fill in when you sign up?

If you've gone out of your way to do this, its just shit banter. Its not wildly offensive - just unnecessarily political for the workplace.

OK, so your trans daughter is male (I had to read it twice!) But how can you know what your child would wear if they'd been born the other sex? They'd be a different shape. Possibly six inches shorter so they might want to wear heels.

Is you child ever read as female? When your child is wearing a dress people might be unsure (I've sometimes wondered "unusually masculine female or transwoman?") or even if people are sure your child is male they probably assume that your child wants to be seen as female (or at least not as definitely male) in a dress and if they are polite they will respond that way. But I have met a few transwomen IRL and I can't think of any who I just "read" as clearly female.

I think dressing in a feminine way is more effort whatever sex you are. You either think it's worth it, or you don't.

Sorry for telling the truth.... ?

You will be pleased to hear that she understands that she is likely to be read and addressed as male by strangers when in this type of outfit.

Look, you have a child who presents as feminine and that works for them. So far, so good. I hope your child feels happier in themself and has found a way to feel at ease. How others address them isn't going to make anyone here 'happy' or 'unhappy'.

Those of us who don't believe in the existence of a gender identity are, on the whole, perfectly fine with masculine women and feminine men. Many of us are gender non-conforming ourselves. It's the substitution of 'gender identity' for 'sex' in law and in policies that we get aerated about. And also heavy-handed institutional pressure to conform to that belief system by announcing our pronouns.

By choosing to deviate for social norms in presentation, your child will have a rougher time than those who stick to what is conventional. So do I, for different choices, and I take that on the chin. I hope your child is in a state of mind to do so as well.

No one wants young people to be made unhappy. We just want women and girls to have their sex based rights respected, and for young people in distress to be protected from harmful and irreversible damage to their bodies and fertility by poorly evidenced medical treatments.

Well, aren't you just a peach?

Well now your child knows a tiny bit of what it's actually like to be a woman... Not that your child is one of course.

The thing with stating pronouns is that you're giving someone an instruction as to how they should refer to you when you're not there, which I don't think any of us have the right to do.
We can tell them what name to call us to our face, and expect they will do so, or call us 'you'. But we really shouldn't be dictating how they speak with reference to us.
As soon as you tell someone to talk about you as he/she/they, you are controlling them, because they know that if they don't do as you tell them, they could be in trouble for 'failing to respect you'.
The OP could indeed have simply refused to state her pronouns. However that's only half the issue, the other half being forced to speak about others in the way they dictate you should.
Seems the OP clearly wanted to go further than simply opting out, and protest the principle, which on reflection I think is fair enough.

There are also downsides to sharing pronouns all over the place. The area I work in still has a fair amount of prejudice against women. Some women deliberately use initials. You don't really want to repeatedly highlight what sex people are.

So whose agenda do you prioritise?

Sorry? What?

How is it in any way the same thing? Including core working hours helps the recipient know when the sender could potentially deal with the email. It is useful from a work perspective. Knowing someone has a gender identity and what it is makes no difference to how or when they do their work. So long as I know their name and am capable of using second person pronouns (I.e. You, your etc) I can engage with them.

My trans daughter often wears trousers - mostly, actually. She doesn't wear makeup ever. She does have long hair. Never wears heels. This is exactly true to herself as this is the kind of style she would have worn had she been born female. I myself very rarely bother with makeup and never heels, for example.

Of course she can't win because some people say she "isn't even making an effort". You will be pleased to hear that she understands that she is likely to be read and addressed as male by strangers when in this type of outfit.

I really miss the time before all this “bring your whole self to work “ nonsense, when we went to work did our jobs then went home, safely unaware of what our colleagues got up to in their spare time! 🤷‍♀️

We have our core working hours on our email signatures, which was championed by our parents working group. While it's mostly parents who aren't doing regular 9-5s it benefits everyone and I don't think anyone think it feels like they're having an agenda forced down their throats by a bunch of pronatalists? You can find working hours on people's outlook calendars but that's no use if you're contacting someone outside of your workplace and is generally more convenient as an at-a-glance reminder. Pronouns seems much the same to me.

I am reminded of Ricky Gervais’s various commentaries on the fact that there is no right NOT to be offended. That offence is never given, only taken.

Fine if people make a mistake so be it.

I prefer it to gender ideology which imposes a framework which isn’t good for women, or dc.

Time to introduce the Pronoun Song....

Same goes for "outing" yourself if you use the right sex, or unisex, facilities. It only outs you if you didn't pass in the first place. If I enter a unisex facility, people think I'm a woman in the unisex space. If I accidentally enter the men's, which has happened on occasion, people think I'm in the wrong place and let me know.

But announcing one's pronouns is not. Though it does serve a practical purpose in a multicultural workplace where I can't figure out someone's sex (never mind their gender identity) from their name or from other context and where knowing the right pronoun is sometimes be useful. But I'd still rather be able to look the information up when I need it than have it helpfully sploshed all over people's communications and other auto-generated screens, necessary or not, which is how things are in my workplace.

... so what?

They're offended... So fucking what??

If you get upset because I believe in Jedi religion...then what....you're upset? Are you belittling my beliefs saying I'm wrong? That's not okay, according to you.... We're only allowed to believe in some sort of pre-approved list of deities and religions?

Aren't we allowed our own beliefs anymore? You can't tell me my religion only exists to mock others... Because you're otherwise, telling me I'm wrong to believe in Jedi.... I'm not allowed to tell you you're wrong for believing in Allah, so don't tell me my religious beliefs are wrong...

Op you are brilliant.
fearful, ughhh. That language.

The thing is, for people not trying to pass themselves off as the opposite sex, 'misgendering' them causes zero pain. They know what sex they are. The joke's on you.

You see the problem with your post is that many of us have been called sir or been “misgendered” as the youngsters call it and we either don’t care or find it amusing! 🤷‍♀️

The other thing is that the list of 'official' pronouns is so ridiculous, how are you even supposed to tell what's taking the piss and what isn't?

Get a load of this

https://lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Neopronouns#List_of_Neopronouns

OP, if you're looking for alternatives, what about Hu/Hum/Hus/Huself?

Which is equally childish and belittling of other people's beliefs.

@Cybiil can't possibly answer the question what does "presenting as a woman" means, and she knows it, because she would be reducing women to their stereotypes.

Men pretending to be women wear skirts, have long hair, might even wear fake boobs or high heels, might have make it on and nails polished etc....They "present" as their idea of what a woman should look like, but as @Cybiil knows, that's just bullshit. We all know women don't all wear heels and makeup, just like they don't all have female names.

The person at her work "presents" a stereotype. But she can't say that.... Because it makes the whole thing unravel...