Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

Would they? By who? Why can't we educate men that men can present in all kind of ways? Instead of making this a woman's problem?

Or campaign for third spaces?

You've consistently ignored what I have said, like in this very post, to simply accuse me of being aggressive, going on the attack, throwing abuse and all the rest of it. It's obvious that you are using me as a deflection.

I'm not upset by it. It's just very very plain.

I understand the argument, but I also see how someone who does pass as a woman can not go into male spaces as they would turned away.

And @Cybiil what other men do you think should be in women's spaces? What criteria are you using?

You think of him as a woman. But he isn't. Mother Nature didn't make him one.

So, why do you think you have the right to consent to his presence, on behalf of other women who want single sex spaces? Why does your option outweigh their's and the law?

Where exactly have i been abusive?

Yes I think she should. I think of her as a woman.

If an obvious come back bores you, then don't lay yourself so open.

I mean, let's try it. A woman is someone who wears dresses/speaks in a high voice/is sexually submissive/likes makeup/has enough fake boob to fool people. All those statements are absurd, sexist, reductive and instantly disprovable. If we make them slightly nicer, like a woman being someone who has a PhD, or loves animals, or is good with children, it's perhaps less offensive (kind of insulting to men, though) but it's still absurd, sexist, reductive and instantly disprovable.

It's not abusive to point out this inherent flaw in the philosophy. And it's not abusive to infer that demonstrating this flaw is the reason a person will not make any such clarification when asked how a man could live as a woman.

Knew someone would come back with that 😴

Yes, maybe you are.

It would seem that Cybiil’s considers the trans colleague to pass well enough to have earned the status of ‘woman’.

Obviously you can’t just let any man into this status. They need to pass well enough. So, who’s the judge of passing? You, Cybiil? What about the woman at the other desk? The one who recognises your colleague as a man, and therefore never uses the toilet at work. Why is she not the judge in this lovely little contest?

The only person who has been hurling abuse today is you. It's getting boring as well as transparent. There's nothing abusive in pointing out that you aren't answering questions and that we know it's because if you do, you will say something that's absurd, reductive, sexist and instantly disprovable, because that's what it is when you say a woman is a person who carries out certain acts.

You must be so glad I'm here so you can deflect and fixate on accusing me of all sorts of stuff rather than have to actually answer anything. Unfortunately I'm going out soon so you'll need to come up with some other way to hide the fact that you won't give any answers beyond "You know what I mean".

And just to clarify @Cybiil do you think your colleague should be in women's spaces, or not?

Well they are misleading aren't they? Factually?

And you think me pointing that out is akin to this?

https://terfisaslur.com

Seriously?

So you see my colleague as someone trying to mislead others. I think you are just as bad and aggressive as the TRA lobby tbh. Both sides are extremists.

I’ve just had to go and have a lie down and book an emergency appointment with the crisis team

How many peanuts does it take to stop a dish being "nut free" ?

How many males does it take to stop a female single sex space being that ?

We know what happens to women who complain.
We also know that women who are concerned self exclude from potentially mixed spaces.

"Pronouns in bio" should be history.

And if I were YOUR manager I’d call you in to discuss your ‘inappropriately’ underdeveloped sense of humour.

And I’m not transphobic.

You just throw abuse at anyone not thinking exactly the same way as you. Any answer not to your liking is absurd, reductive, sexist and instantly disprovable.

They know what sex they are though. I'm not sure extended attempts to mislead others is any kind of great win here. I'm all for the TRA lobby to campaign for their own third spaces though, if that's what they think they need.

They picking up on multiple indicators, many of which are processed at a semi conscious level.

Gait, stride, shoulder to hip ratio, face construction (brow/jawline) voice, even things like pheromones. Humans, particularly women tend to be excellent at discerning sex, even when not paying much attention. Babies and animals can reliably distinguish between men and womem fgs.

My colleague would not be able to use male toilets as she would be seen as a woman entering men’s space, whilst if she entered a female toilet, no one would bat an eye lid. I understand in your world, men can never present as a woman (by present as a woman I mean assumed/perceived to be a woman by most people), but in the real world this can happen which is why it’s not always black and white.

That's exactly what you said last time, and claimed it answered the question. "You know what I mean", and yet for some reason you never say what you mean.

Of course, we do know what you mean, and we also know that's why you can't say it. There's no answer that isn't absurd, reductive, sexist and instantly disprovable.

Yes but the difference between a Thai lady boy and someone you glance at once is that with the lady boy you are looking very closely specifically to try and see the obvious or subtle signs of manhood.

Your average person doesn’t usually stay long enough to ponder on a persons sex, particularly not a child or teen with longhair. They glance. Determine female. Persist forward in their belief to a point of bemusement when corrected.

Well just reading that has put me in fear. I'm going to hide the thread now as I'm so upset 🤣. Honestly though, people have waaay too much time on their hands.