Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

I’m hiding this thread because you’re so scary. I’m shaking and crying, thanks.

I'm not sure people using the disabled toilet when they don't actually need to is the flex you think it is.

Have you guys not thought that maybe Alex, Sam and Charlie may not want to be called the wrong pronouns for their cisgender identity?

I’ve been picked up on this twice which is fair. I hesitated over it as I was typing at speed. I’m trying to consider than someone who has gone through surgery and is legally now ‘recorded’ as female on documentation etc would be (clumsy word) genuinely trans.

I agree that their fundamental biology hasn’t changed and cannot change. I didn’t mean ‘genuinely trans’ indicated that it had.

My personal view is that calling trans women ‘trans women’ is fine and we shouldn’t have to call them ‘women’ but there are so many pitfalls in this discussion that I will paint myself into a corner that doesn’t represent my actual thoughts.

I still feel that OP’s choice of words was antagonistic.

The only way to identify as the opposite sex is through sexist stereotypes. If you deny sex you deny same sex attraction. It’s all inherent in pretending you’re something you’re not.

Pronouns aren’t new words. They have existed for a long time and have clear sex-based meanings. The attack in and distortion of language is an essential weapon in the normalisation of this ideology.

I work in 'the city' (which I assume is London) and have done for many years in a number of different organisations. i have never seen grown middle age men stomping about in black mini dresses expecting to be treated like a woman, either in the workplace or elsewhere. I did, years ago, work with one transgender who was very nice, reasonable and did not demand anything. They also used the disabled toilet so as not to 'offend' anyone. As a very senior manager i have dealt with my fair share of stomping men, but none of them wearing tights.

Have you guys not thought that maybe Alex, Sam and Charlie may not want to be called the wrong pronouns for their cisgender identity?

Not necessarily slowly or organically..What about all the new words in OED every year. They are not evolved particularly slowly or organically. And the other stuff you said. That's such a generalisation as to be meaningless. I mean, come on. ALL trans people are those things ? Surely not. That's silly..

I think this can be interpreted as ridiculing those who share their preferred pronouns at work. I would not call this is professional behaviour or think it's acceptable in the workplace. If I were your manager I would have asked you to take this down before complaints come in. You don't have to share your preferred pronouns if you don't wish to do so but 'take a wild guess' is not appropriate in the workplace. No doubt transphopbic mumsnetters will disagree but wonder how many of them work professionally in environments where diversity and inclusion are regarded as part of a professional business environment.

You sound TERRIFYING 😂😂

I work in 'the city' (which I assume is London) and have done for many years in a number of different organisations. i have never seen grown middle age men stomping about in black mini dresses expecting to be treated like a woman, either in the workplace or elsewhere. I did, years ago, work with one transgender who was very nice, reasonable and did not demand anything. They also used the disabled toilet so as not to 'offend' anyone. As a very senior manager i have dealt with my fair share of stomping men, but none of them wearing tights.

Have you guys not thought that maybe Alex, Sam and Charlie may not want to be called the wrong pronouns for their cisgender identity?

I think this can be interpreted as ridiculing those who share their preferred pronouns at work. I would not call this is professional behaviour or think it's acceptable in the workplace. If I were your manager I would have asked you to take this down before complaints come in. You don't have to share your preferred pronouns if you don't wish to do so but 'take a wild guess' is not appropriate in the workplace. No doubt transphopbic mumsnetters will disagree but wonder how many of them work professionally in environments where diversity and inclusion are regarded as part of a professional business environment.

I haven't, I've already said I do not list my 'preferred' pronouns because I'm a woman so it's self explanatory.

Writing 'take a wild guess' under anything on a work profile is unprofessional, and the only reason people are pretending they don't see that is because which section it was written under.

What’s antagonistic is to have fully grown middle aged men stomping about in black mini dresses and tights in the City and expecting to be treated like a special kind of woman in the workplace. It’s bloody insulting.

However I think there are fewer of them now than a couple of years ago. Maybe it was all simply too much trouble.

YesX it changes over time - slowly, organically and ultimately with the consent of the majority.

But this not the evolution of language. It’s the distortion of language to shore up a sexist, homophobic, child-abusing ideology, and it should have no place at work.

Confusion over what?

I strongly disagree. You can have an opinion, but you can’t go around harassing people that share a different viewpoint.

Have you guys not thought that maybe Alex, Sam and Charlie may not want to be called the wrong pronouns for their cisgender identity?