Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

I strongly disagree. You can have an opinion, but you can’t go around harassing people that share a different viewpoint.

But those quiet, lovely TIMs still want to use the Ladies.
There is no "quietly" getting on with that.

I would not chose to add mine, but I do think it can be helpful if you have an unusual name where people couldn't easily predict.

It's not always a choice. Some companies make it mandatory.

If we can cope with seeing pronouns that are symbolic of an ideology we find deeply regressive and harmful, why can't the pronoun lovers cope with seeing a little push back?

No.

Biological women will always need spaces separate from biological males, no matter how those males identify.

For every person on this thread talking about their ‘lovely trans friend’ who just want to live in peace, there are currently violent males housed in woman’s prisons, and men routinely taking medals in women’s sports. They all occupy the same space under the umbrella of trans identity being more important than biological sex.

If you accept that one man should be treated as female if he claims to be a woman, you have to then accept that all men who claim this identity should be given access to women’s spaces. The only way to keep problematic men out is to keep all men out.

It shouldn’t be seen as mean to acknowledge biological reality. This ideology is hugely problematic for women.

I strongly disagree. You can have an opinion, but you can’t go around harassing people that share a different viewpoint.

What about the women who are alienated by this whole ideology?

Yes. But none of this implies anything about "most" trans people does it?

A large number of terrorist attacks in the UK have been carried out by Muslims. Does this mean there is a radical aspect to Islam that is a concern? Certainly. Does it mean "most" Muslims are terrorists? Of course not.

So just biological sex but no gender categories then?

I like this idea. I have been studiously refusing to add mine and periodically. I get prompted that mine are blank; I just ignore them!

Have you guys not thought that maybe Alex, Sam and Charlie may not want to be called the wrong pronouns for their cisgender identity?

Sure there's more going on.

Around how we interact/engage with societal stereotypes related to sex.

So let's just focus on not letting societal stereotypes define us, yes?

I have my pronouns in my email signature at work. My pronouns are not at odds with my sex. I consider it personally useful as I have a name that is commonly used for both males and females.

Was the driver of the normalisation of sharing pronouns trans-inclusion? Yes.

Does that mean it's the only reason to share pronouns or that sharing pronouns is intrinsically ideological? No.

I think this can be interpreted as ridiculing those who share their preferred pronouns at work. I would not call this is professional behaviour or think it's acceptable in the workplace. If I were your manager I would have asked you to take this down before complaints come in. You don't have to share your preferred pronouns if you don't wish to do so but 'take a wild guess' is not appropriate in the workplace. No doubt transphopbic mumsnetters will disagree but wonder how many of them work professionally in environments where diversity and inclusion are regarded as part of a professional business environment.

How are we alienated because we have the choice to put pronouns on Teams?

Yes. But none of this implies anything about "most" trans people does it?

A large number of terrorist attacks in the UK have been carried out by Muslims. Does this mean there is a radical aspect to Islam that is a concern? Certainly. Does it mean "most" Muslims are terrorists? Of course not.

Yes. But none of this implies anything about "most" trans people does it?

A large number of terrorist attacks in the UK have been carried out by Muslims. Does this mean there is a radical aspect to Islam that is a concern? Certainly. Does it mean "most" Muslims are terrorists? Of course not.

What about the women who are alienated by this whole ideology?

Maybe im thick but i dont get the argument. I didnt think trans people claimed that they were actually the opposite sex. I thought they claimed woman as a state of mind distinct from female as a biological fact. If sexual attraction has a biological basis how is that connected to identity as a state of mind.? Like i said, maybe i just dont get the argument.

I personally haven't met anyone irl who shares those views - they are absolutely bonkers.

How awful for that young man - and disgusting some are trying to make it legal.

As for 'genital fetishist', it's almost as if men and women are (mostly) naturally attracted to each other to procreate.

But this is the extremists side that you'll find in every section of society. Generally people are realistic when it comes to biological facts.

Anyone can be with whoever they want, and be referred to however they like if it's not hurting anyone in my opinion. Makes zero difference to me or my life. The examples you've given are obviously dangerous, but they are not comparable to adding pronouns on a profile if you choose to. Some people will be glad they have that option for other reasons as PPs have said.

What if someone at work put in their email signature "those women who refuse to declare their marital status are woke snowflakes, and they don't deserve any respect"?

Mistakes or misjudgements are normal and I agree that people should be able to cope with these.

But OP was mocking the idea of preferred pronouns. I don't agree with them either, but I wouldn't want to mock or alienate anyone.

I strongly disagree. You can have an opinion, but you can’t go around harassing people that share a different viewpoint.