Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

It's not to do with being validated. It's about internal sense of alignment.
What's the difference?

Isn't that obvious?
DC found it impossible for herself to navigate life in male identity. For herself. That identity doesn't rest upon others 'getting it right'.

I don't get it but then I'm not trans, am I?
I "get" a lot of things that I don't share. Lesbianism, for example. I am suspicious of qualities that can only be understood by people who have that quality and cannot be explained to anyone who doesn't.

We, a lot of us anyway, might get a concept but not get what that feels like. I can't tell if you are being disingenuous. I understand lesbianism in principle, but I don't get what it feels like to be sexually interested in boobs and fannies.
Autism is something that many people acknowledge exists but can have no conceptualisation of what it feels like.
One of the often used arguments us that no male person can possibly know what it feels like to be female and of course, yes, but then how is it inconsistent to admit that you also can have no idea what it feels like to be trans?

It's a lot more complex and subtle than some people here might believe. The only people whose acceptance matters to her are those she cares about.
Well that is a bit circular isn't it? As soon as your DC "cares about" anyone they're going to have to "accept" DC as "she" - or what?

Luckily our circle is working very hard on acceptance. Her granny constantly uses male pronouns in error or trips up. DC is fine with that.

Oh my OP!

I read the title and thought "Hooray! The tide is turning, the displaying of pronouns is starting to be disregarded"

Then I read your OP ....

And snorted so hard my Xmas Terry's chocolate Baileys came down my nose!

Fantastic OP! I'm now really really afraid ... to read more of your posts in case I end choking with laughter!

Well played and for 4 years!

Men don’t care 🤷‍♀️, women in the men’s toilets are no threat and some like it!

No, they are not 'turned away'. The large amount of women who leave the queue for the ladies and enter the men's, and are NOT turned away, PROVES this. It's just lies and excuses that do not stand up to scrutiny.

Firstly, I mean this sincerely, I believe your colleague would be clocked in the ladies. I think you are so used to them that you've become accustomed to seeing them as a woman and so your eyes deceive you. But to 99% of women, our ears and eyes don't deceive us.

Secondly you say;

My colleague would not be able to use male toilets as she would be seen as a woman entering men’s space

Considering the fact that some women (not me, I wouldn't be game enough to) will use the mens when they queue for the womens is so long, and they say they have no problems at all, I don't see why your colleague couldn't use the mens when some actual females do. In fact, many transwomen say they have no problems using the mens, even made up fully as a woman. The worst they get, apparently, is a smirk. They're not in any danger. Actually there is a transwoman on twitter who has videos of them entering the mens, even at the urinals. No problemo!! None at all. Proving it can be done.

And, when you consider effeminate gay men have used the mens for decades, and never once complained about it or tried to use the ladies, the argument that transwomen are not safe in the mens or for some reason can't use them, falls completely apart.

Yes, once upon a time, we'd respect our elders, and their knowledge, experience and wisdom passed down. Now, we call them 'boomers' and worse. I'd rather listen to an elder person than a young one. Any day.

Dooooo it!!! I would! Go on, do it. I as a woman am more 'fearful' of those who are 'afraid' of how I say what my pronouns are. If someone is 'fearful' of something as innocuous as "take a wild guess" then I think they shouldn't be allowed out without a carer and clearly shouldn't be holding down a job as they clearly are far too fragile to handle working with people. If I were your boss, I'd find a way to sack the fragile and clearly unstable person who complained about you. A clearly they're not stable enough to work for my company or hold down a job and I'd want a welfare check on them. Sincerely here. If someone is fearful of "take a wild guess" they clearly are not very stable.

I responded to your post about your boss criticising 'wokeness' and that you all laughed at him and said he was 'showing his age'.
The ageism is you linking this behaviour to his age group.
Many people in their 50s are extremely 'woke', though we prefer terms like 'committed to equalities' or 'left wing' as 'woke' is a slur.
Many of us are also extremely hot on anti discrimination, precisely because we remember a time when men like him 'got away with all sorts' and we certainly don't want to go back there.
Some of us (me at least!) combine all of that with sharing yours and the OPs views about pronouns. Which is where is gets a bit messy as I can be called both woke and a bigot all at the same time.
I'm not sure you and I are that far apart on this one, give or take the odd point.

No, you’re just one of those people who cannot listen to any sense of reality without throwing in a word with “ism” at the end of it, hoping it will shut up your opponent.

Yep, Initials are best, see here on this article what happens when a man and a woman did an experiment and swapped email addresses/names for a week. The man saw first hand the sexism his female colleague experienced. It's also why some female authors, for example J.K Rowling , use initials and not their full female name, in order to sell books. Evidence shows that using female pronouns or a female name is detrimental for women in work and business and they are not taken seriously. Compelling women to use pronouns hurts women because of inherent sexism in the workplace. Men get all the credit and the easy ride. Women are better off just using initials and not denoting their sex at all https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/happens-man-signs-off-email-womans-name/

I LOVE the mumsnetters who "can ALWAYS tell"

I wish i remembered who it was here who said theyd have no trouble realising blaire white was trans if she didnt already know.

Aye dead on course you wouldnt

It's not really the dress. It's the gait. The height. The lack of hips. The adams apple. The male jawbone. The limb length, hand size and shoe/feet size. Men seem to have a thicker facial skin too than women. A transwoman doesn't pass even in a full face of make up. In fact, lipstick tends to draw attention (or at least from my experience and eyes) to the prominent male jowls and square jawbone. That's the irony of transwomen using makeup and lipstick. It just draws out the prominent male facial skeletal differences. They do look better without the makeup and lipstick.

No, you clearly do not understand, at all.

I was not criticising the OP for not supporting inclusivity. If you read my original post, properly, you will see I referred to the pronoun propaganda as nonsense. Because it is. Utterly. I have no time for it. However when you clock into the office each morning you need to leave your personal feelings to one side, it’s part of being a professional. The work place is not a platform for you to make political statements, that’s not what you’re paid for. That, was the point of my post. I fail to see why that went over your head.

It’s also not ageist to suggest my 50 plus year old ex boss was appearing to show his age with his behaviour, when 20, 30 plus years ago they’d have gotten away with saying much worse as that was the norm at the time in his youth. You need to adapt and move with the times, some do move, while others aren’t willing. People, young, middle aged and old all show their age in many ways at times, call it ageism if you want to. No skin off my nose.

I find it very hard to believe you didn't know they were male. Are you a male or female? I only ask because practically no transwoman actually passes as a woman. Basically zero. They never pass. It's the voice (none can actually have a feminine voice, even with vocal feminisation surgery). The gait. The height. The lack of hips. The adams apple. The male jawbone. The limb length, hand size and shoe/feet size. And it's a hardwired survival instinct for a woman to spot a male. It's hardwired in us. University studies show that women can spot a male even if dressed as a transwoman easily. However men don't have this instinct to spot it. I have yet to meet one single transwoman that even remotely passes as a woman in real life sans internet filters. It just does not happen.

I don't really understand.
You made an ageist comment, which was a bit daft of you when you were trying to criticise someone else for not supporting inclusivity.
I'm neither 'edgy' nor particularly prone to 'telling it like it is'. I am however a strong opponent of discrimination, hence pointing out your ageism.

Well in that case all men should be allowed in all female spaces...

Good question

Of course!

So men are allowed to turn away an unconventional man, but women are not?

Yes you’ve definitely given it back to me haven’t you. You’re so edgy and tell it as it is, just like the OP. Well done, you.

You can have a go at defining 'living as a woman' without sounding absurd or sexist if you want? You seem to be avoiding the question.

Promise not to throw abuse at you.

Do you think its fair that your colleague who you feel is indistinguishable from a woman should use the womens toilets, and another TW who cannot afford surgeries and has the misfortune to have a very masculine face, build and voice, and could never pass, should not? Is your colleague more of a woman than this second TW?

Yes that is lucky. So why do your think your colleague belongs in women's facilities and not neutral ones, when neutral ones are provided?

Well, that's really their problem; if they have modified themselves so much that they really truly can't be seen as their real sex, then this is a consequence of that for them, and something their doctors should ensure they are ready for. The obvious solution is third spaces but the clear consensus from the trans community is that this isn't acceptable.

Yes this is a good question and I do not have the answer for that. I agree we should have female only spaces, but I also see my colleague for example
as female, so I do not know what the solution is. It’s not black and white to me. Luckily in my workplace we have male, female and neutral toilets.